Hi,
I’m no expert in the subject, but, one night, about 2 months ago, Sifu Chow Keung had me type out this very long reply about claims regarding TSPK and who learned what. Personally, I didn’t think it would be very appropriate to post the reply here, as I’m really not interested in having or causing an internet fight, or going against anything that other people say or said.
I managed to avoid posting the threat, and kinda got Sifu Chow to forget about all this. That night, sifu Chow got so worked up, he even called Grandmaster Chan Sau Chung to confirm a few things for him. This topic reminded me of what was being spoken about that night, and I thought I could just add a few things sifu Chow told me.
Lam Jou and Kan Tak Hoi were good friends. When Kan Tak Hou first came to HK, he lived with Laam Jou (or vice versa – the exact details now are escaping me). Kan Tak Hoi taught Laam Jou the Pek Gwa darn dao, and eventually it was taught to allot of schools in Hong Kong. He did say something like Laam Jou wanted to teach Kan Tak Hoi some Hung Kuen, but KTH wasn’t to interested.
One thing Sifu Chow wasn’t to sure about, was exactly where YC Wong learned his TSPK. He called CSC and asked about that, but in the end it wasn’t all to clear. Few things didn’t add up to Sifu Chow, but he did say he will look into it when he remembers about it again. Sifu Chow seem very passionate about his school (organisation) and his loyalty to his sifu / school / organisation impressed me allot.
I really don’t even know YC Wong or any of his students, so I hope I don’t seem disrespecting towards him.
You never cease to amaze me with your detailed knowledge of Hung gar. You really should write a book! Good to hear from you! Would love to see how you students have progressed if I ever get to Prague.
Eddie: your info is correct. Gang Dakhoi was Lam Jou’s senior brother, and Lam Jou has picked up a lot of from him. i never heard he would ask Gang Dakhoi to teach some Hung Kyun. thank you for your interesting info.
as for Grandmaster Y.C. Wong, he has learned from Gang Dakhoi for 100%, but just for a short time, i think about 2 years (late 1950’s or beginning of 1960’s). he teaches pek gwa daan dou and i think 3 pek gwa hand sets (probably originally 1 long set, divided in 3, but i am not sure of that). he never claimed to learn whole system or being an expert in pek gwa. so or so, he is one of the very few top gungfu men of today, open, humble, and his gungfu rocks, even in his age (77).
Brian: actually i wrote a book on Hung Kyun, it is finished, i just needs to be translated into English
[QUOTE=TenTigers;784516]I train with an elderly man in his seventies from Guangzhao, probably similar in age to Chan Hon Chung. This man studied Dai Sing Pek Kwa under Gen Duk Hoi. Perhaps Chan did likewise?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PM;784697]as for CLF influence, all the leopard techniques (paau ying) in our systems are from CLF - you have chaap cheui, gwa cheui and sau cheui
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Interestingly, none of these techniques is considered leopard in CLF
[QUOTE=Ben Gash;788409]Interestingly, none of these techniques is considered leopard in CLF ;)[/QUOTE]
sau cheui is still sau cheui, chaap cheui is still chaap cheui, it does not matter if you call it leopard or not. of course i am not saying Hung kyun = CLF, but our leopard techniques really come from CLF (i double checked). also, i have learned ng leun ma and ng leun cheui long time ago (and still practice the latter one occassionaly), and have many Chinese CLF friends (Fatsaan Hung Sing Gwun, China), so i can at least compare little bit.
btw. so called “imitation of the animals” is one of the most spread Hung Kyun bull****s
[QUOTE=PM;788429]btw. so called “imitation of the animals” is one of the most spread Hung Kyun bull****s[/QUOTE]
:eek: You mean people didn’t pinch a dragon, tiger and leopard with a stick to see their techniques and then use those techniques? And most people didn’t get killed while trying to even get near a tiger or leopard? :D:D:D:D
Off course the techniques were there first and were given names later - some were named after animals, others after elements and so on.
Hung Ga is defnitely not imitationally shaped after/based on those animals and elements.
[QUOTE=The Great Sage of HU;788485]:eek: You mean people didn’t pinch a dragon, tiger and leopard with a stick to see their techniques and then use those techniques? And most people didn’t get killed while trying to even get near a tiger or leopard? :D:D:D:D
Off course the techniques were there first and were given names later - some were named after animals, others after elements and so on.
Hung Ga is defnitely not imitationally shaped after/based on those animals and elements.[/QUOTE]
