I saw a Tat Mau Wong video once that demonstrated a “Tiger Tail Broadsword” form. I had learned a similar form for daan dou in Hawaii, but it had a different opening. I don’t believe it is a CLF set. Can anyone enlighten me?
Not exactly sure of the origin as I have seen variations in other styles but this has been in our line even before Sifu. I think this falls in the “bing hay mo gar” or “weapons have no family” category and was “borrowed” by various systems. BTW Wong Tat Mau’s version is a bit different from ours as he made some changes.
Peace.
not to take this off subject, but while Lama Pai spent most of its time in the south, most of its weapons are from the north.. so what CLF said
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1239336]not to take this off subject, but while Lama Pai spent most of its time in the south, most of its weapons are from the north.. so what CLF said[/QUOTE]
I agree with this completely and don’t think it is unique to lama but rather many southern styles. Not all weapons of course but definately some.
Greetings,
jdhowland:
When you mentioned Hawaii, the name that immediately popped up in my head was Grandmaster Bucksam Kong. The thing is that GM Kong learned Choy Li Fut in addition to Hung Gar. Lee Koon Hung was his Sifu in Choy Li Fut.
Here is another example of Tiger Tail Broadsword from Hung Gar performed by a student of TenTigers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFBUBf4z3yY
mickey
[QUOTE=CLFNole;1239317]Not exactly sure of the origin as I have seen variations in other styles but this has been in our line even before Sifu. I think this falls in the “bing hay mo gar” or “weapons have no family” category and was “borrowed” by various systems…[/QUOTE]
I’m sure that must be the case. I just wondered if anyone might know the “original” source.
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1239336]not to take this off subject, but while Lama Pai spent most of its time in the south, most of its weapons are from the north.. so what CLF said[/QUOTE]
That’s true for our Lama, as well. No typical southern weapons (spinning spear, double butterfly knives or large farmer-style daan dou).
The version of Fuh Mei DD I learned was not from my sifu, but from a friend from Hong Kong. I never learned where he got it from. He was mostly Hung Ga but learned some other things, as well. His version had no fa dou, just a simple, almost military-looking four-road drill. Very northern-looking, but then, all daan dou is northern military in origin, far as I know.
[QUOTE=mickey;1239424]Greetings,
jdhowland:
When you mentioned Hawaii, the name that immediately popped up in my head was Grandmaster Bucksam Kong. The thing is that GM Kong learned Choy Li Fut in addition to Hung Gar. Lee Koon Hung was his Sifu in Choy Li Fut.
Here is another example of Tiger Tail Broadsword from Hung Gar performed by a student of TenTigers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFBUBf4z3yY
mickey[/QUOTE]
Thanks, mickey. I knew there was a little CLF in Kong’s Siu Lum Pai but I didn’t know Kong sifu learned from LKH. I met Kong around '73 and had a neighbor who was one of his students. We used to compare notes about our styles. That video link makes about the fifth version of FMDD I’ve seen. All are different but all have recognizable sequences.
Greetings,
No disrespect to CLFNole meant here or to Choy Li Fut. There could be some overlapping of forms. This is a post from Sow Choy at this forum regarding Shek Kin and Lee Koon Hung:
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The comparison was not that important, I meant it for people who have never heard of him. My connection is through my 1st Sifu Grandmaster Lee Koon Hung. Lee Koon Hung was Shek Kin’s only student. He did teach him Northern style Kung Fu, but more than just Law Horn. Lee Koon Hung learned more weapon forms from him than anything else. He taught those forms to advanced students. They are incredible, they really give us more insight and understanding about the differences between Northern and Southern style.Choy Lay Fut is the style Grandmaster Lee Koon Hung was famous for.
mickey
Hi Mickey:
Sow Choy is my sidai. Sifu learned from Kin Baat much later in life after he was an established Sifu already. This form as I mentioned goes back earlier to Poon Dik’s school and does not come from Shek Kin.
Peace
Greetings CLFNole,
Thank you for sharing that.
mickey
Mickey:
No problem…we are lucky enough to have some of Shek Kin’s Kung Fu within our curriculum as Sifu incorporated what he felt would compliment our CLF…mostly weapons. Nice to have a more northern influenced spear since typical CLF spear is more like southern dan tow kwun.
Peace
[QUOTE=CLFNole;1239492]Nice to have a more northern influenced spear since typical CLF spear is more like southern dan tow kwun. [/QUOTE]
Most daan tauh gwan is mostly a method for training spear, anyway. I don’t care for the reverse–when someone uses double head staff to make a spear form. Doesn’t make much sense to me except for flashy demonstrations.
I do like northern spear, though.
Lee Koon Hung ’ s Fu Mei Daan Dou
[QUOTE=jdhowland;1239211]I saw a Tat Mau Wong video once that demonstrated a “Tiger Tail Broadsword” form. I had learned a similar form for daan dou in Hawaii, but it had a different opening. I don’t believe it is a CLF set. Can anyone enlighten me?[/QUOTE]
You remember who your sifu was that taught you that daan dou set in Hawaii ?
I ’ m from Hawaii , was that sifu Mak Fai by any chance ?
[QUOTE=lance;1240060]You remember who your sifu was that taught you that daan dou set in Hawaii ?
I ’ m from Hawaii , was that sifu Mak Fai by any chance ?[/QUOTE]
I know Mak Hin Fai was in Hawaii for a time but wasn’t Kong Buk Sam also there too? Could have come from him as well. Also Victor Kim is in Hawaii and he learned from Sifu as well.
Lee Koon Hung ’ s Fu Mei Daan Dou
[QUOTE=mickey;1239424]Greetings,
jdhowland:
When you mentioned Hawaii, the name that immediately popped up in my head was Grandmaster Bucksam Kong. The thing is that GM Kong learned Choy Li Fut in addition to Hung Gar. Lee Koon Hung was his Sifu in Choy Li Fut.
Here is another example of Tiger Tail Broadsword from Hung Gar performed by a student of TenTigers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFBUBf4z3yY
mickey[/QUOTE] Thanks for replying , I appreciate it . my good friend was learning from Sifu Kong too until he trained with Sifu Mak Fai . Mickey were you there when Sifu Kong had a challenge with another Kung Fu practitioner ? You may know Jose Ramos who was once Sifu Kong ’ s assistant sifu ? You see Sifu Kong was ’ nt the only kung fu sifu in Hawaii at that time there were other kung fu clubs and schools too .
You see Sifu Kong hired Sifu Mak Fai to teach the lion dance to his students in Hawaii . If you did ’ nt know it was because of some chinese people who were living locally in Hawaii , and they established the Jung Mo or the Chinese Physical Culture Assn . In Hawaii . Which was the first kung fu club in Hawaii and from there other kung fu experts who were involved with the jung mo ass. in hawaii also branched out and started their own kung fu clubs in Hawaii .
As for Sifu Kong himself he had 2 - assistant sifus they were Sifu Vernon Rieta and Sifu Seng Au , they still teach and do lion dance in Hawaii too . Because since Hawaii is a small island all the kung fu sifus know eachother . Some of them get along with eachother and some of them really don ’ t like eachother . I still see Sifu Kong ’ s club perform kung fu and lion dance on stage at the chinese cultural plaza in Hawaii . And Mickey if you happen to see Sifu Kong please don ’ t mention anything about the challenge Sifu Kong had with another kung fu practitioner in Hawaii . that sifu was teaching manchurian white crane , hop gar , and choy li fut , this sifu learned choy li fut from GM Ho Ngan . And Sifu Kong was shaolin Hung Gar and choy li fut , because my cousins on my moms side of the family was learning from the sifu who was teaching the manchurian white crane system . And I met another guy who also learned kung fu himself from the same sifu my cousins was learning from .
For me I was once a member of jung mo myself back in 1985 , I stayed for 5 years then I joined chinese lion dance assn . Learning fut gar kung fu and the lion dance , but I was a badboy , I missed 2 - classes , then they kicked me out . Then I was learning from Sifu Hodges learning fut gar kung fu too , then it came to a point where this sifu hodges could ’ nt teach me already , because he had to work 2 jobs to support his family . Then I was learning from Sil Lum Fut Ga kung fu from Sifu Lee for about 2 years , but because I had to work at that time they had class , I had to discontinue training . And this Mickey is my own share of martial arts experiences . I was training in wing chun too under this 2 - brothers who I met through friends of mine , they were the stanley au lineage of Ip Man .
Today in Hawaii we have sifus who teach iron body , iron palm , wing chun , Jook Lum Southern praying mantis and the list goes on and on . But more lion dance club than kung fu clubs . Because Hawaii is a melting pot of different type of cultures , so they have people of different cultures learning lion dancing too .
Greetings lance,
You may want to delete or edit your post because it contains some info that may be considered sensitive to GM Kong.
I have never been to Hawaii nor a part of the Hung Gar family. In my martial quest I read everything I could about everything that was out there, even when I could not afford instruction. My brain was like a sponge. So it is nice to be able to provide some info to an inquiring mind. So when CLFNole provide me with more insight about the knife set, I simply absorbed it. It may be of help to someone else one day.
I have questions for you about Hawaii. I will send you a pm.
mickey
[QUOTE=lance;1240315]
… please don ’ t mention anything about the challenge Sifu Kong had with another kung fu practitioner in Hawaii . that sifu was teaching manchurian white crane , hop gar , and choy li fut , this sifu learned choy li fut from GM Ho Ngan … [/QUOTE]
“That sifu” is my teacher. I agree with mickey that it is probably best not to bring up accounts of the sifu who are still alive without their permission. I don’t even share much about my own teacher because of the politics involved.
Lance, you must have trained for a while at the Hawaii Chinese Community Center on Nuuanu. I have many fond memories of that place.
[QUOTE=lance;1240060]You remember who your sifu was that taught you that daan dou set in Hawaii ?
I ’ m from Hawaii , was that sifu Mak Fai by any chance ?[/QUOTE]
No. I knew of Mak Hin Fai but never learned from him. My set came from someone I met at U.H. who was “fresh off da boat.” Ken Leung was his name. LKH was teaching in Hong Kong at the time and it might be from him. I only knew that it was supposed to be from a Choy Lee Fut school so I was interested in learning it. All my other knife sets were from White Crane and Hop Ga.
[QUOTE=mickey;1239424]Greetings,
jdhowland:
When you mentioned Hawaii, the name that immediately popped up in my head was Grandmaster Bucksam Kong. The thing is that GM Kong learned Choy Li Fut in addition to Hung Gar. Lee Koon Hung was his Sifu in Choy Li Fut.
Here is another example of Tiger Tail Broadsword from Hung Gar performed by a student of TenTigers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFBUBf4z3yY
mickey[/QUOTE]
I have seen this form demonstrated by a student of Frank Yee. So perhaps it is just a traditional Hung Gar form added into CLF.