Hey manofkent,
Is the instructor you were talking to from David Lloyd by any chance?
What do you mean by strength? Raw strength? Are you trying to add muscle while you’re at it?
Hi stubbs, bin a while.
R u thinking of Chris? He work at the village gym now. He’s gonna take up kung fu with dave. He used to do hap-ki-do
Chris who? I just thought the fitness instructor you were talking to might have been from David Lloyd. Gyms like David Lloyd give me the impression that the instructors don’t really know what they’re talking about, they’re mainly there to give moral support for the average overweight 40 year old business man or woman to keep them coming to the gym.
Anyhoo… How’s the training going? I spent a little while training at the Kixx Martial Arts gym and also went to Thailand for a while. I’m training on my own at the moment but I think I’ll go join up with Niel again next spring. Do you still train with Dave?
Im taking a break to work on my strength for a while. Still training on my own, mainly tai chi.
Your pretty much right, there are there for moral support mainly. but i enjoy the use of the facilities.
I’m going to thailand in the spring, just a hol with parents but taking the opertunity to look at some “real” MA.!!!
Also looking to visit beijing in the summer, should be good fun, and hard work!!!
Originally posted by Chief Fox
[B]This is an excellent point! Most people who walk into a gym off the street and then is introduced to the local “fitness expert” would take what the “expert” is saying as truth.
Very few would would question what the “expert” had to say.[/B]
That’s no problem for most people. But it’s not alright for me. I don’t lift like most people. Neither do most people here - we fit into a minority.
Originally posted by Chief Fox
Everyone doesn’t need to jump on “manofkent” here. He was simply repeating information that he was given and has worked for him.
His attitude was a little aggressive, so he received response in kind.
Originally posted by Chief Fox
The real problem is some of the so-called professionals in the fitness instruction industry. A lot are working with bad or out dated information, a lot simply don’t know what they’re talking about.
Again, that’s fine for most people. stubbs said it best:
Originally posted by stubbs
… instructors don’t really know what they’re talking about, they’re mainly there to give moral support for the average overweight 40 year old business man or woman to keep them coming to the gym.
Fits my opinion of the vast majority of personal trainers/gym instructors perfectly.
You’re an idiot.
Have you ever heard of the psychological principle of “projection” where you project you traits to others?
No, I haven’t. Why don’t you just post a URL about it with no comment, question or experience?
Toby, Good idea. That is what I will do the next time.
Pretty bad articles at that. Dunno. He could be trolling. I’d definately feel like a sucker.
Renzo Gracie (of Gracie Brazilian JuiJitsu fame) the no holds barred champion recommends bodyweight training and uses only very light weights much the same as the turn of the century boxers and wrestlers did such as Jack Dempsey and Farmer Burns.
John McSweeney who developerd “Tiger Moves” from ancient kungfu tensing exercises and is a member of the martial arts hall of fame used exclusively body weight. These are the exercises currently being promoed by John Peterson of Bronze Bow Publishing who incidently is coming out with a new book"The Ultimate Isometric Power Challenge" in January 2005. It can currently be pre ordered on Amazon.com
Different things work for different people and you have to keep your minds open to get to the cutting edge.
Andy, I think what you’re arguing for and what the guys in this particular forum are looking for are rather different. You’re citing a lot of info on fighters using bodyweight excercises. The Training and Health forum tend to focus on the REAL cutting edge when it comes to strength training, which is VERY different from the conditioning of fighters.
Most of the fighters that are in the ring are more concerned with stamina, muscular endurance and speed. Yes, you’d think that this would be interesting in a Kung Fu Training & Health forum, but it appears that this forum have gone past that and whenever STRENGTH training is the focus, bodyweight and isometric excercises take a back seet to plyometrics and explosive power training involving considerable tension, which eventually mean MORE than bodyweight.
Anyways, yes, bodyweight excercises will build strength, but there is a limit and to go past that limit you’ll end up adding weights. And yes isometrics will strengthen you at first, but again there’s a point where you want to build strength through a greater range of motion and so you’ll want to apply load to create greater tension over the full range of motion of whatever movement you want to increase your strength in.
Again, ring fighters and wrestlers are more concerned with maximizing their stamina/endurance over their absolute strength (once you get to the ‘more than adequate’ amount of strength).
Andy,
I’ve trained with Renzo and know first-hand what he uses to train. He actually does lift weights or did when I trained with him. Some guys like BWE’s, some guys like weights, some guys don’t really do either and just train, etc. It’s not a question of what guys prefer. It’s a question of how each effects your body.
The human body reacts to resistance training the same way through the genders, races, etc. Just like some people don’t build their VO2Max (cardiovasular efficiency) by sitting on a couch smoking, people don’t build maximal strength by doing low resistance exercises past certain points. There is really no mystery to the mechanisms behind muscle growth, strength increase, neuro-muscular coordination, etc. If you come on here and state something that is patently false, you’ll be called on it.
BTW:
“Renzo Gracie: I do everyday a lot of boxing and weight lifting. Swimming also, it helps me out with the cardio.”
http://www.sherdog.com/interviews/renzogracie_01/gracie.htm
BTW, The above proves nothing. Like I said, some guys prefer different things. Some people like hiking and some people like power lifting. It’s a preference thing. How each effects the human body is scientific and is constant…
^ D.amn, I wanna train with Renzo. Every day I get more ****ed off that there’s no MMA places around here. My last MMA class where I used to live was 9 months ago. I’ve forgotten everything on the ground 
Originally posted by Ford Prefect
[B]Andy,
I’ve trained with Renzo and know first-hand what he uses to train.
…
"Renzo Gracie: I do everyday a lot of boxing and weight lifting. [/B]
Renz0wned!
That is not what Renzo Gracie says in hiw book “Mastering Judo.” He recommends bodyweight exercises and very light weights.
What is your point? I think everybody agrees that Bodyweight exercises are good for conditioning. We are even saying that challenging bodyweight exercises like one-arm pullups, one-arm pushups, one-legged squats, handstand pushups, and gymnastic exercises can be used for strength.
I totally agree