i would be joking with you if you didnt spazz out and get your student to send me insults on pm.
I appoligize
He’s passionate:rolleyes:
be passionate about something else. be passionate about realizing major faults in beishaolin.
da hongquan has been practiced in jiangsu for about 200 years and can be legitimately traced by white lotus member records. in his town no one has heard of guruzhang.
the opera style yanghuquan that sings while doing forms is even well known, but not beishaolin.
beishaolin did not participate in the famous santang rebellion in jiangsu.
im saying lets be reasonable and not exagerate kung fu styles we do and look down on others.
that other guy keeps bragging about how beishaolin has the older more “authentic” lyrics than kanjiaquan. someone post the full lyrics and lets do a comparison.
[QUOTE=bawang;1110471]bei shaolin is far from perfect. it has absorbed a lot of negative influences from cantonese kung fu.[/QUOTE]
I feel any martial art you practice is what you make of it.
Since you do not practice the system brother it is difficult for me to take your opinion very seriously since although you may be familiar you are far from intimate.
Perfection is a goal, that golden belt buckle in the sky Bruce Leroy.
I have practice the system since 1979 with the same teacher pretty much everyday with some interesting results. I am strong, flexible, effortlessly mobile and healthy despite the gang of vicious and annoying little maladies that have attempted to group up and end my existence.
The system is well constructed in a powerfully logical progression, sprinkled with a series of interconnected rare skill set attainments ever placing higher and higher demands upon the individual practitioner.
It takes a long time to internalize the basics as it’s tool kit is vast. There are so many options in terms of application that it confuses and sometimes bewilders the unmotivated. It teaches patience, finess, economy of motion, spatial and self awareness.
Good system if you are lucky enough to learn it from a skilled Sifu.
Never gotten bored but I’ve plateaued, burned out, made startling self discoveries, rocked out on my ego, shamed my self in choices, trained even harder, abandoned self plateaued, burned out and…
BSL from my experience is like a beautiful flower that keeps blooming.
After all of this time I’m still not very good at it, yet I pursue my practice daily with sincerity.
Peace
[QUOTE=bawang;1110481]that other guy keeps bragging about how beishaolin has the older more “authentic” lyrics than kanjiaquan. someone post the full lyrics and lets do a comparison.[/QUOTE]
“Since most of the stories of martial art origins, including
that of the Northern Shaolin style, are passed down by word of mouth, we
can treat all of this as more a part of a legend than facts. In my opinion, the
real history is not as important as the future of the style. The fact that the
Northern Shaolin style is time proven to be an effective and broad based pool
of martial arts knowledge, deserves our efforts to continue to enhance and
develop its values to benefit others in the future.”
I feel what you are saying though brother.
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Since you do not practice the system brother it is difficult for me to take your opinion very seriously since although you may be familiar you are far from intimate.
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by negative aspect i dont mean any combat theory. i mean obsession about lineage and hiearchy and a need to feel superior to others.
lion dance also gives an example. there is no reason it is in bsl other than to conform to cantonese styles from social pressure.
[QUOTE=bawang;1110484]by negative aspect i dont mean any combat theory. i mean obsession about lineage and hiearchy and a need to feel superior to others.
lion dance also gives an example. there is no reason it is in bsl other than to conform to cantonese styles from social pressure.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with you!
So many people rest on the the accomplishments of the Great Masters of the past with out performing the work that produced those skills which made them legendary.
[QUOTE=bawang;1110481]that other guy keeps bragging about how beishaolin has the older more “authentic” lyrics than kanjiaquan. someone post the full lyrics and lets do a comparison.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lokhopkuen;1111167]Northern Shaolin #1 demo by one of my uncles.[/QUOTE]
Nicely done. 
[QUOTE=LFJ;1111377]Nicely done. :)[/QUOTE]
Sammy Cheung of NYC.
originally posted by bawang
be passionate about something else. be passionate about realizing major faults in beishaolin.
Well that’s rather pretentious, especially considering that Bak Siu Lum practitioners have kicked some major ass throughout history in real life and death struggles and in competition. Perhaps you’d like to point out where the “major faults” in our system are?
da hongquan has been practiced in jiangsu for about 200 years and can be legitimately traced by white lotus member records. in his town no one has heard of guruzhang.
the opera style yanghuquan that sings while doing forms is even well known, but not beishaolin.
Kuo Yu Cheong was well known in several provinces such as Su Chiang, Che Chiang, Hunan, Hupei, etc. When he went to Kwangtung with Wan Li Sheng, Li Hsien Wu, and Fu Chen Sung, he was a friggin’ celebrity. So what is all of this, “no one’s heard of him” BS? Ya, maybe if you’re asking some country bumpkin who doesn’t know anything about their country’s history. Then again, I’m sure that’s common on the mainland since much of the history that’s taught in schools there is either highly embellished or just missing all together. Many people in China don’t even know about the world famous “tank man” from the Tiananmen Square massacre because the government’s erased all record of the incident on the Chinese web. I feel like I’m constantly having to give a history lesson to people like you. Do you understand that practicing wushu was illegal in China from 1966-1976? During this time there were very few legitimate masters in China at all. You know why? Because they all got the hell out of there. Why do you call it a “Cantonese taint” just because schools in the south participate in local customs? Because you’re an ignorant Northerner who still can’t accept that most of your country’s real martial traditions survived and thrived in the south and NOT in the north where your government crushes dissent with an iron fist?
beishaolin did not participate in the famous santang rebellion in jiangsu.
Who says, were you there?
im saying lets be reasonable and not exagerate kung fu styles we do and look down on others.
I’m not looking down on anyone, I’m just helping people get their facts straight. Talk about exaggerating kung fu styles, you know what style no one seems to have heard of before the 1980’s? Kanjiaquan. And now it’s all of a sudden the ancestor to Bei Shaolin even though it’s never been mentioned in any of the stories or histories of any of the Bei Shaolin schools in the entire world?
that other guy keeps bragging about how beishaolin has the older more “authentic” lyrics than kanjiaquan. someone post the full lyrics and lets do a comparison.
Once again, I’m not “bragging”, I’m rectifying a huge falsity concerning my style that’s being perpetuated by people like you. I used to have the lyrics but I can’t find them now because at the time I didn’t even think twice about them since they didn’t match up to Bei Shaolin’s at all.
by negative aspect i dont mean any combat theory. i mean obsession about lineage and hiearchy and a need to feel superior to others.
lion dance also gives an example. there is no reason it is in bsl other than to conform to cantonese styles from social pressure.
Where in my previous posts have I debated with a “my style is superior to yours” attitude? I’m just stating facts and debating the issue of people thinking they can rewrite the history of my style based on flimsy evidence.
And lion dancing isn’t a part of the Bak Siu Lum style itself. Who says that other than you? What, do you think some lion dance techniques have made their way into the forms? I guess you’re just a prejudiced bumpkin.
post the lyrics for beishaolin and kanjiaquan and i will tell you which one is older, then you dont have to guess or theorize.
the boxer rebels still have people training meihuaquan an hours drive from funing county, but no one has heard of bei shaolin. in real life you can pretend your kung fu is super special and unique, but dont try to tell me that, because im from the hometown of your kung fu great grandaddy.
[QUOTE=bawang;1118999]post the lyrics for beishaolin and kanjiaquan and i will tell you which one is older, then you dont have to guess or theorize.[/QUOTE]
“post the lyrics for beishaolin and kanjiaquan i will tell you which one is older” That’s pretty funny.
Post kanjiaquan’s Dui Da ()/Dui Lian ( )and I’ll tell you which is older.
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[QUOTE=bawang;1110484]lion dance also gives an example. there is no reason it is in bsl other than to conform to cantonese styles from social pressure.[/QUOTE]
When I had my BSL Kung Fu Institute, in one Chinese new year a guy from Dallas called me and asked me if he could have lion dance in Austin. I told him it was OK. That guy probably didn’t know that my BSL school didn’t do lion dance.
The lion dance thing is a non-issue whatsoever. It is not a part of the BSL curriculum. Some BSL folks have picked it up and do it in their school simply because they enjoy it, it adds some cultural knowledge & enjoyment, provides for another avenue of leg training, yadda yadda yadda.
I’ve heard of some doing northern and some doing southern; some doing both lion & dragon, some doing neither. Who cares?
And Bawang…Although it’s cool you are from Gu Yu Cheong’s birthplace, it doesn’t amount to much as compared to actually training the system.
No one here is doing a style superiority thing either, so drop that.
im not going to argue and try to answer all these ignorant and naive answers. post the lyrics or stop talking out of your ass.
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And Bawang…Although it’s cool you are from Gu Yu Cheong’s birthplace, it doesn’t amount to much as compared to actually training the system.
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i am familiar with martial arts from my region
[QUOTE=bawang;1119091]im not going to argue and try to answer all these ignorant and naive answers. post the lyrics or stop talking out of your ass.[/QUOTE]
That would be you. Your argument sounds just like the “video your fights in mma competition or you suck”. Irrelevant and silly.
What’s your beef with BSL Bawang? And what makes you the authority on the topic anyway?
if you read that other guys post a few pages before, he was obviously talking down to shandong kanjiaquan with disrespect, and exaggerating the history and worth of beishaolin.
i feel a personal connection with martial arts from my region, and i have the right by my blood to critisize it.
that guy said the lyrics in bsl are older, so i am saying post them and give proof. i am familiar with martial art code words, especially from my region so i have the authority to decide.
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i am familiar with martial arts from my region[/QUOTE]
And I am familiar with jook lum tang lang pai, wing chun, hung gar, hop gar, yang & chen taijiquan, xingyiquan, baguazhang and a host of others. Have I gone fully through the system enough to be able to debate their histories or subtle qualities? Hell no.