Ryu, nice man, glad to see your open to some discussion…thats what’s really lame.
chinwoo, absolutely man, like I said, I enjoy his movies as much as the next and I can appreciate what he did for the asian community at large and for martial arts.
Discussion about Bruce again?? Even I’m getting tired of talking about him. :rolleyes:
Ryu
obviously not since you felt the need to make a post like that. Imagine someone else out there wants to talk about something you don’t. But I guess that makes it wrong right? I don’t mind the occasional BL discussion from time to time, I also don’t mind talking about martial arts from time to time either, I do mind someone blasting into a conversation with nothing useful to say, just because they don’t like the subject matter. If you have an opinion about the subject feel free but my recommendation to you is that if you don’t have anything useful or freindly to say don’t bother, it serves no purpose but to make you look like an ass.
Ryu, just because your ha****en can’t scratch BL doesn’t mean you have to get bitter…:rolleyes:
you know what ****es me off the most Ryu? The fact that from time to time you have some pretty good and pretty intelligent things to say. It really disappoints me that you felt the need to come in like that and post something needlessly offensive. Not that it should matter to you I guess but really, what purpose did that serve? did it make you feel better?
http://www.kungfu.net/brucelee.html
I have read a little of this before. Regardless of who is right or wrong…what Wong Jack Man says just sounds like a lot of BS.
That, says Wong, is why he failed to deliver a devastating right-hand blow on any of the three occasions he had Lee’s head locked under his left arm. Instead, he says, he released his opponent each time, only to have an even more enraged Bruce Lee press on with his furious attack. “He would never say he lost until you killed him,” says Wong. And despite his concern with the legal consequences, Wong says that killing Lee is something he began to consider. "I remember thinking, ‘If he injures me, if he really hurts me, I’ll have to kill him.
That is what we called the 3rd Grade Headlock in MMA 
Why is it that he thinks he has to kill Bruce to defeat him? Has he never heard of a choke? Did he never understand that you can choke someone unconscious without killing them?
I still believe that the fight was probably a big mess.
red5angel, take it easy !!!
You are going burst a blood vessal.
You CAN see that ryu is just joking right ?
I mean, bitter about his d!ck size and all, but it isn’t really malicious.
Oh come on you guys! 
I have to be “Mr. Cool and collected” ALL the time?? As Merryprankster would say, “don’t get your panties in a wad”
Fine, I apologize for my demoralizing statement. One thing is right though, I’m not in the mood to discuss Bruce, so you guys go on ahead, and I’ll bow out. 
How’s that?
Ryu
yeah, I find all these “worried about legal consequences” excuses to be highly suspect. Did they worry about legal consequences back in the day when they used to fight to the death? EVEN if those stories are FALSE, still they are a part of most Kung Fu histories so anyone taking up a challenge fight would have to have at least been willing to hurt the other guy.
And Red, if it offended you that bad, I do apologize for real. I was mostly just joking because the poor guy isn’t here to defend himself you know?
But no, my statement was just to make fun and offend. So sorry if it bugged you more than I intended. Didn’t mean it THAT maliciously.
I will bow out now. I have some things to finish up anyway.
Ryu
Thanks Ryu. You have to understand I come here to discuss things with a few people. There are some who usually have something worth while to say and others who do not. When one of those on my lists of worthwhiles does something disparaging it bothers me a little that’s all. We all have our days anyway so no harm no foul.
truwrestler - WJM states earlier that BL came out with a shot to the eyes, making WJM think it was more serious a match then it was supposed to be. AS for the choke, I don’t know, it’s possible but I think maybe he was coming at it from the perspective that he was going to have to get as serious as BL if BL didn’t settle down.
Regardless I wouldn’t take WJM’s account as golden either, it just seems more to go along with the characters of all the people involved.
Good one ryu.
I have no idea how it feels to be belittled about the size of your manhood but I am sure it is heartbreaking.
But your maturity is to be commended.
Red, now shake hands an make out… er…up
“Thanks Ryu. You have to understand I come here to discuss things with a few people. There are some who usually have something worth while to say and others who do not. When one of those on my lists of worthwhiles does something disparaging it bothers me a little that’s all. We all have our days anyway so no harm no foul.”
Thanks Red, I appreciate that. Today is just unusually hectic for me and I guess I’m unnecessarily snappy. I also enjoy reading your posts on this forum, so you have my apologies again for coming across as a jerk. Just one of those days… I’ll get over it.
Later,
Ryu
I think I am having one of those days as well. It doesn’t help that I spent saturday night until sun up drinking more beer then I ever have before and sleeping through sunday! Anyway, consider it forgotten.
Regarding the question of how much Lee grew as a martial artist after the fight, Wong is convinced that the benefits to Lee from his homemade style were more than offset by the damage it did him. Wong even goes so far as to speculate that Jeet Kune Do may have caused Lee’s death
Wow, is that why you see all these guys training in hybrid styles for Mixed Martial Arts falling dead before the age of 40? (sarcasm intended)
That Jeet Kune Do lacked the cohesion and harmony of a style in the traditional sense was something acknowledged by Lee himself, who preferred to call it a “sophisticated form of street fighting” rather than a style.
I don’t think it was JKD that killed him perse but I do believe he pushed himself too hard. He was a driven man and his freinds and family say he was constantly working out, even when he was just sitting around. That’s got to have a toll on the body.
No doubt
BL probably wasn’t the best fighter the world has ever seen, but I have a few friends who actually trained and sparred with the man. According to them he was quite good, at least by the standards of the semi-full contact, no grappling or groundfighting sparring they were practicing at the time (which was light years ahead of how most other martial arts practitioners of that day were training).
Whatever his fighting ability, he was a smart guy. He had trained a system for a while, fought a guy who probably wasn’t that good and found out that he couldn’t use his skills the way they should supposedly be used. After this, he began searching for a way to make those skills more realistic. Makes sense to me. I wish I would have done the same thing when I first started my MA training- could have saved a lot of wasted years.
Knifefighter, what would you say to those people who say/think he should have just continued with Wing Chun… that he just hadn’t learned enough of the art to be effective…not that the art was bad.
I’d say he was on the right track.