"Dozens of autoworkers in Detroit were caught on camera drinking beer and smoking marijuana before heading to work at the Chrysler plant that President Obama praised in a speech just two months ago.
An exclusive investigation by MyFoxDetroit showed workers at Chrysler’s Jefferson North Assembly Plant in Detroit, Mich., drinking beer and smoking joints while on a half-hour lunch break at a nearby park.
The investigation – conducted over several weeks and based on tips from workers at the plant – outraged the auto giant’s top executives who reportedly called the behavior “totally unacceptable.”"
You’d be naive to think this isn’t going on elsewhere. America has lost its work discipline, and developed a sense of entitlement. India and China, however, are working hard and being socially responsible when it comes to their economic prosperity as a whole.
Why they turned this into an anti-Obama story is beyond me. Unless, of course, they think he should check up on what appears to be a very small section of plant workers.
The American worker is the problem, not Obama. If you have a job, work at it.
Another thing that seems odd. I have worked in manufacturing, and there are mandatory drug tests. Something doesn’t smell right here.
[QUOTE=Drake;1041425]Why they turned this into an anti-Obama story is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
its fox news, thats why… everything is an obama issue in that house…
also in india, they have some SERIOUS SERIOUS quality control issues aswell as a workforce of whom the majority is, for PC reasons lets say alot more relaxed in their work standards all around… i never thought much about it until an indian friend of mine pointed out that indias major problem with their workforce is a lack of extra effort negligence as far as safety and quality is concerned…
i know its a little old now, but the Bhopal disaster is a great example… like four safety backups failed or werent in place for whatever reason(cheap lazy) and half the town died or was very very ill from the resulting gas leak…
Factors leading to the magnitude of the gas leak include:
Storing MIC in large tanks and filling beyond recommended levels
~ Poor maintenance after the plant ceased MIC production at the end of 1984
~ Failure of several safety systems (due to poor maintenance)
~ Safety systems being switched off to save moneyincluding the MIC tank refrigeration system which could have mitigated the disaster severity
~ The problem was made worse by the mushrooming of slums in the vicinity of the plant, non-existent catastrophe plans, and shortcomings in health care and socio-economic rehabilitation
SO SAD… so unecessary… so negligent… these things are common in societies where there is a 0.2% wealthy ruling regime and a 99.8% disgustingly poor, uneducated and severely underfunded polulace… alot of them litterally live in sh!t… dudes will squat on the side of the road in public and drop a duece… its brutal in the more rural areas and smaller towns…
sorry for the highjacking… but its relevant in the whole outsourcing argument… it seems that if the bigwigs have their way then soon most jobs will be in places like india… from auto worker to telemarketer… if it werent for union contracts i bet it would already be that way…
[QUOTE=Drake;1041425]Why they turned this into an anti-Obama story is beyond me. Unless, of course, they think he should check up on what appears to be a very small section of plant workers.[/QUOTE]
I admit the story brought Obama into it a bit much. But it did have the responsibility to remind us that those very workers were bailed out by the US taxpayers.
[QUOTE=Drake;1041425]Another thing that seems odd. I have worked in manufacturing, and there are mandatory drug tests. Something doesn’t smell right here.[/QUOTE]
Something the pro-regulation crowd needs to accept is that if they keep overregulating here in the US, more jobs will offshore themselves to India or China where there are pretty much zero regulations. So the pro-regulation people are actually shooting themselves in the foot by demanding more and more regulations here in the US.
Something the pro-regulation crowd needs to accept is that if they keep overregulating here in the US, more jobs will offshore themselves to India or China where there are pretty much zero regulations. So the pro-regulation people are actually shooting themselves in the foot by demanding more and more regulations here in the US.[/QUOTE]
ok but heres the problem… if you completely deregulate, companies will take advantage, pay less, create less quality and safety standards go down… if we let that happen to compete with other nations who underbid us because they scrimp on safety and quality we find ourselves spiralling into a big mess that runs contrary to everything our founding fathers in north america stood for and wanted to create for us and our future children…
so do we A: not allow outsourcing or B: recognize we have a global community now and put all our collective resources together in a bid to get the nations with less quaility and safety standrds up to par with everyone at the forefront of these things???
i say both… heres why… we do a bit of A in order to buy time to do plan B… it wont be easy but i dont see us having any other choice??? a global community means we are gonna have to spread the wealth better in order to create a well oiled global machine… but there are major hurdles… over-population being number one on that list… in places like china and india the population is too large to do much about these problems… almost all the worlds major problems can be traced back to overpopulation… overconsumption of non renewable or long time renewable resources and an economy driven by todays dollar value and not quality and an overall well balanced future for everyone…
its tough… its hard to get into this too deep on a forum like this… i’ll stop here and expand any of this at anyones request… im sure as time goes by i’ll think of add ons and side notes galore… but thats it for now:D
The only way you’ll outcompete sweatshops is by either making your own, or doing the right thing, and refusing to trade with any nation that allows such things to exist.
[QUOTE=Drake;1041515]The only way you’ll outcompete sweatshops is by either making your own, or doing the right thing, and refusing to trade with any nation that allows such things to exist.[/QUOTE]
We also have the 3rd choice, consumers making their voices heard with their wallets. I myself look for the Made in the USA label and always buy American made over Chinese made when there is a choice. For example, we spend alot of time outdoors during the summer months. We buy Igloo products over Coleman products because Igloo products are made here, while Coleman products are Chinese made. I’ve also stopped shopping at Wal-Mart and shop at other stores instead, especially local businesses. Even if it costs a few dollars more, I do try and do my part to help American industry and workers.
[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1041943]Good points Syn, except for this part:
Socialism has failed every time it’s been tried, and so I feel introducing it will just make the problem(s) worse.[/QUOTE]
the trick is to find the right combination of socialist ideals and capitalist ideals… both systems fail in the most extreme forms…
even a library is a socialist ideal… dont throw the baby out with the bathwater… we need to find the right combos for the times and we need to create a system that alows us to easilly change with the times and change that combination and balance as is needed, as is dictated by the current state of affairs and reasonable future projections…
[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1041945]We also have the 3rd choice, consumers making their voices heard with their wallets. I myself look for the Made in the USA label and always buy American made over Chinese made when there is a choice. For example, we spend alot of time outdoors during the summer months. We buy Igloo products over Coleman products because Igloo products are made here, while Coleman products are Chinese made. I’ve also stopped shopping at Wal-Mart and shop at other stores instead, especially local businesses. Even if it costs a few dollars more, I do try and do my part to help American industry and workers.[/QUOTE]
We need more CHARACTER and less selfish wants.
We need to stop blaming globolization and “slave labour” for the fact that many people gets paid far too much to do far too little because they cost of living is artificially, far too high.
You can whine about reality all you want, it won’t stop it from being any less real.
[QUOTE=Syn7;1042003]the trick is to find the right combination of socialist ideals and capitalist ideals… both systems fail in the most extreme forms… [/QUOTE]
True. But to me socialism is worse if you are FORCED to choose. As I’ve said before; if faced with big government or big business, go with big business. Big business never threw people in gas chambers, while big government has.
Knowing you need the right combination and that extremes are bad, how do you feel about the system now? I myself feel it’s way too tilted toward socialism IMO, we are in a recession right now that started because we tried to ‘spread the home ownership around’ to people who quite honestly could not afford to own them. And when the whole house of cards came crashing down, millions of hard working, fiscally responsible Americans have suffered as a result, and through no fault of their own.
[QUOTE=BJJ-Blue;1042081]True. But to me socialism is worse if you are FORCED to choose. As I’ve said before; if faced with big government or big business, go with big business. Big business never threw people in gas chambers, while big government has.[/QUOTE]
oh i soooo disagree…
i submit that big biz has committed countless attrocities throughout history in order to profit…
[QUOTE=Drake;1042079]Americans buy cheap, and most don’t care or even bother checking where it came from.[/QUOTE]
But if we all took the extra effort, it would really help this country and it’s workers. Face it, we’ve been buying (and voting) for too long without really thinking.
And in the 80s the Buy American campaign did make a big difference. But it takes some effort to make that difference. People have gave their lives for this country. Asking people to look for a label and maybe pay a little more for the greater good is not some monumental sacrifice.
I’ve seen a few bumber stickers with that silliness, " Out of a job yet? Keep buying foreign".
I don’t think must people truly understand HOW MUCH foreign good they do buy and that made in america means more like assembled in america or labeled in america.
