[QUOTE=Iron_Eagle_76;1143854]Hey Bra, u mad Bra??[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RWilson;1143658]We can all agree that forms do not produce fighting skills. Co diyioning forms help with strength, power, stamina but are still just harder versions of daydreaming with movement. Other practices are needed much more than forms to produce real fighting skills. Which Kung fu style, in its core, has more sparring and two person practices as opposed to:
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Single person drills(techniques done in the air alone, throw set ups but not throws)
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Techniques done with non-resisting people.
I would think that the kung fu equivalent of judo would be the best. The so called striking arts have too many forms and larking.
Which kung fucstyle do you all co sider to be the best for those that want real skills in a shorter period of time?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RWilson;1143829]Practicing animals is rudimentary. Should I practice circling my right arm and thn pushing forward while pushing with my left hand into a bow and arrow? That is the tiger movement. A technique for this is pulling a guy’s punch while joint locking his elbow and then pushing him away. This would never work. I have studied tcma for a long time. Too long.[/QUOTE]
that may be your Tiger’s movement, and your understanding of application.
Nothing I have ever done, nor seen done by anyone.
I don’t know where you may have learned this, but it would seem that you might not have been your teachers most gifted pupil…
:rolleyes:
Animals: MMA & TCMA
[SIZE=“5”]MMA[/SIZE]:
- [B]The Caterpillar Crawl
- The Mule Kick
- Alligator Push-ups
- The Bear Crawl
- The Crab Walk
- Elephants[/B]
[SIZE=“5”]TCMA[/SIZE]: Typical southern 5 animals
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[B]
- Tiger
- Dragon
- Snake
- Panther
- Crane[/B]
[SIZE=“4”]GET OVER THE ANIMAL ISSUE ALREADY!!![/SIZE] 
[QUOTE=RWilson;1143829]Practicing animals is rudimentary. Should I practice circling my right arm and thn pushing forward while pushing with my left hand into a bow and arrow? That is the tiger movement. A technique for this is pulling a guy’s punch while joint locking his elbow and then pushing him away. This would never work. I have studied tcma for a long time. Too long.[/QUOTE]
Even MT guys use “mantis arms - hand hook behind opponent’s neck, arm press on the chest” in the clinching situation.
It’s a pretty simple concept; the thing about the mantis hook is that while you may grab, by not using your thumb to grip with, you are not, “married” to the person and may easily release the grip to follow the strike home (as in following a jab), or apply the thumb for a more committed control.
Muay Thai has many movements that are named after the characteristics of animals.
like their elephant…LOVE IT.
GET OVER THE ANIMAL ISSUE ALREADY!!!
I"M NOT ON IT NOR HAVE I EVER BEEN…
[QUOTE=Jimbo;1143863]Muay Thai has many movements that are named after the characteristics of animals.[/QUOTE]
When Kung fu people start winning using their “animals” in recorded fighting competitions then we will all finally breathe a sigh of relief. The Kung fu can finally fight and there will be no more debate. When Kung fu people start channeling their inner vaginas…I mean tigers in RECORDED competitions than we can all stop debating. Not death matches from pre-communist China or push hands competitions.
The “I did not have a camera when I was fighting” argument is the worst. That is really the weakness of all these arguments for how awesome Kung fu is.
You do not need mantis hooks to grab an arm. You do not need to do a tiger form to learn power. You do have to do those things if you just want to do forms and have no interest in fighting.
i cant believe no one figured out after 10 years on this forums.
animal means lack of remorse or conscience. predator. this is the spirit of animal styles.
[QUOTE=RWilson;1143878]When Kung fu people start winning using their “animals” in recorded fighting competitions then we will all finally breathe a sigh of relief. The Kung fu can finally fight and there will be no more debate. When Kung fu people start channeling their inner vaginas…I mean tigers in RECORDED competitions than we can all stop debating. Not death matches from pre-communist China or push hands competitions.
The “I did not have a camera when I was fighting” argument is the worst. That is really the weakness of all these arguments for how awesome Kung fu is.
You do not need mantis hooks to grab an arm. You do not need to do a tiger form to learn power. You do have to do those things if you just want to do forms and have no interest in fighting.[/QUOTE]
Sorry I don’t carry a camera with me everywhere I go. I’ll try harder in the future to prove myself to you. :rolleyes:
You don’t get it, and I think we’ve all figured that out.
[QUOTE=Drake;1143886]Sorry I don’t carry a camera with me everywhere I go. I’ll try harder in the future to prove myself to you. :rolleyes:
You don’t get it, and I think we’ve all figured that out.[/QUOTE]
You do not have to prove anything to me because you do not own a school. If you did and I was a prospective student then you would need skills. This is not about you personally. This is about Kung fu.
If modern Kung fu training was so good would not the U.S military have adopted it for the soldier?
If modern Kung fu training was so good
As everyone has been saying, the vast majority of modern kung fu training methodologies leaves something to be desired. You are not talking about styles, you’re talking about how they’re trained. And as has been said a dozen times in this thread, how a style is trained will determine its effectiveness.
You seem to have trouble getting over that hump between WHAT is being trained and HOW it is being trained. Which is fine, but you seem to be arguing from an ill-informed position.
$0.02.
[QUOTE=RWilson;1143890]You do not have to prove anything to me because you do not own a school. If you did and I was a prospective student then you would need skills. This is not about you personally. This is about Kung fu.
If modern Kung fu training was so good would not the U.S military have adopted it for the soldier?[/QUOTE]
Problem with TCMA is that it isn’t applicable to our scenarios. For example, I wear a solid 20lbs of body armor, 6 magazines with 30 rounds in each mag, a med kit, side plates, helmet, boots, elbow and knee pads, and have a rifle. I can’t do most of what TCMA is built around, because I’m a turtle, basically. You can’t throw kicks because of the groin protector and the IBA, your striking is limited due your waist momentum being largely lost, and you have a ton of gear strapped to yourself. And with a radio… you are REALLY limited. THAT’S why.
Before 9/11, yes, we learned a decent amount of kung-fu as part of our self-defense. And for a while, TKD was mandated in Korea by the CG there. That was before we had all this crap on our bodies.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1143858][SIZE=“5”]MMA[/SIZE]:
- [B]The Caterpillar Crawl
- The Mule Kick
- Alligator Push-ups
- The Bear Crawl
- The Crab Walk
- Elephants[/B]
[SIZE=“5”]TCMA[/SIZE]: Typical southern 5 animals
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[B]
- Tiger
- Dragon
- Snake
- Panther
- Crane[/B]
[SIZE=“4”]GET OVER THE ANIMAL ISSUE ALREADY!!![/SIZE] :D[/QUOTE]
KF needs to train shrimp style so we can escape when every fight goes to the ground.
yeah that and:
- Butterfly guard
- Fish-hooking
[QUOTE=bawang;1143880]i cant believe no one figured out after 10 years on this forums.
animal means lack of remorse or conscience. predator. this is the spirit of animal styles.[/QUOTE]
That’s what you’re here for, Ancient TCMA understanding. ExtremeChinese a plus!
[QUOTE=RWilson;1143890]
If modern Kung fu training was so good would not the U.S military have adopted it for the soldier?[/QUOTE]
No. It takes too long to learn. The military likes solutions that are quick to teach, for obvious reasons. (edit: oh, and also what Drake said)
[QUOTE=RWilson;1143878]
You do not need mantis hooks to grab an arm. [/QUOTE]
If you control an arm with a hook you have the flexibility to pop up into a strike without having to disentangle your thumb, plus you don’t risk spraining your thumb as much. It’s flexible. Just call it a hook and forget the animal name. It’s a good move, but it’s not intuitive. It has to be learned.