… the best way to do the app we were talking about earlier, where the lifted palms pressed his outside gate to take his structure as the lower palm strikes is, imho…
… there’s openings for this both from right up front and from an angle, but let’s say you’re angled a bit at the left gate, and close range from working through clinches or sticking and following, and you see an opening to do that app: the bow-step should go at a 45o angle towards the RIGHT rear corner from where you are (on the left), so you’re actually stepping across the front of him (this is real close range, obviously). Gets him right crossed up in himself, easy then to take the back, throw him, whatever.
I dont know why Braden posts this things, everybody knows that Bagua is a variant from an ancient chinese folk dance and its objective is to walk around the oponent until he gets dizzy and faints.
Xebs, if I wanted your opinion, I’d flock-of-wild-geese-bursts-out it out of you! And there’s not a **** thing your watered-down Shotokan could do about it!
… and when I was through with you, I’d leave your body on that crazy snake island.
opponent round kicks with his right, your lower left catches it by wrapping and holding, he tries to escpe by punching with his lead, but your right hand blocks by cutting his power. His head is right there, so you turn the palm over, grab his head, and turn down throwing him to the ground really hard.
To keep from loosing your own balance, you fall full weighted on his lower ribcage with your knee point thus crushing his rib cage and driving a busted rib into his lung.
You have been brain washed into thinking Kung Fu is not very good, totally sux, and not too deadly for the ring, so you continue by pouncing on the dying corpse and attempt an arm bar from the mount (Work with me here). With his last gasp he tapps before he dies, and you stand up and scream the greatness of BJJ/MMA!!!
Considering the forward momentum,slapping the guys chin up to jam his head back (unbalancing) then strike his breastbone/centre line to take the remains of his root.
For myself, I admit to seeing it as more the middle of something…lower hand disrupting and dissolving an attack, the top hand doing a right heavy slap to the nape of the neck…then probly a good pulldown going…structure destroyed
I’m thinking the left might then come up to finish the job, maybe attended by a knee or stompin kick.
Given my training, my view on any Chinese MA posture is probably a bit suspect, but…
Like WD and others, I would tend to see this as a throw, or a setup for one. If the shown right leg is on the outside of the opponent’s left leg, the left arm under hooks the opponent’s right arm, the right arm (being higher) goes over his left arm and clasps hands behind his back. The thrower then arches his back and rotates to his right. The throwee’s upper body is moved over the thrower’s leg; this prevents his legs from moving with him and remaining under his body, taking him over and down.
Alternately, if the shown right leg is cross-stepped to be on the outside of the opponent’s right leg, this could be a setup for a version of Harai Goshi
for the people who say throw - which throw? I can see it as koshi guruma/neck surround. I can also see it as an o uchi gari and possibly hiza guruma/de ashi barai.
Er… unless you meant from the inside… I usually default to thinking puter kepala as done from the outside, but I guess most people do the opposite.
I’ve mostly been talking about using that posture from the outside. Except for the locking app… But that posture can also be used for opening up the guy and taking the inside, sticking/leading/pressing the inside of his arm with your raised/right arm to open him up, while the lower/left palm strikes as you enter, or deals (or is dealt with) by his other hand. Then from this inside position, you could close all the way and do splitting/angling throw like tenchinage. Or you could wrap your upper/right hand around the back of his head to clinch, or do the same and press his arm with your lower/left palm to do a puter kepala from the inside. Or if you’re handy with some of the spirally, weighted turns in bagua, you could turn ccw (looking down) on the front/weighted foot, arcing the right/upper palm to do a palm-elbow combination from behind-to-front on the side of his head (eg. mastoid), which you could follow up by “unwinding” the arm and posture (just reversing the movement you just did) but catching his face with your right palm as it unwinds, and sinking your posture to “make him bridge” backwards, with your front/weighted leg and hip nestled against his to take his base, and other arm messing with the posture from an arm control.
BTW, I’m really glad we’re getting a good cross-section of folk replying.
Bagua, it seems to me, is simply about extending your arms, moving your body, and having it do something useful and skillfull.
It’s a format well suited to a variety of interpretations.
The posture we’re commenting on is from a form of Jiang Rong Qiao. Jiang’s style is part of the big family of Cheng style baguazhang, the founder of which (Cheng Ting Hua) was a famous and dedicated wrestler. So takedown interpretations of his methods are surely reasonable!
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Depending on the entry, the lower hand could also be to controll an elbow. As a striking technique, once thew elbow is controlled, the head is open. If the prctitioner has had sufficient Iron hand/ especially the fingers, it could be a jabbing spear hand into the soft spot just under the jaw joint to stun, followed by a throw forward face first into the concrete (depending on the attackers foot position of course)
