I hate that as well.
in this context, no. What is open when you drop the hand is the side of the face - only on one side.with both hands up, you have one hand protecting each side. plus, with the angled step, you are stepping out of the way of the incoming punch.
with that being said would you agree that a good habit WOULD be to keep both hands up? place answer here_______________________
inconsequential.
with that being sad and you were teaching people to fight would you teach them to keep their hands up so as not to risk being hit in the face or drop the hand? place answer here_________________________-
show them dropping the arm and and extended arm versions
when I would see my opponent either telegraphing thier moves or DROPPING thier hand when they kicked I would wait until they kicked and knock the living $ hit out of them. try protecting the face with one hand againt a kick.
that’s what happens when you don’t angle step…
seven you said to my posts Quote:
Originally Posted by EarthDragon
would you then say both hands covering the face would double your chances of not being hit? place answer here______________
in this context, no. What is open when you drop the hand is the side of the face - only on one side.with both hands up, you have one hand protecting each side. plus, with the angled step, you are stepping out of the way of the incoming punch.
so you disagree that 2 hands are not better than 1???
you mentioned the stepping at an angle many times. As you know my system is
8 step, we always step extremly effectively. So lets say you step to that angle to kick and I step to counter what then?
It seems perhaps when you haved kicked and dropped your guard no one has clocked you at the same time. I would be persuaded to think that if this happened you would make it a good habit to keep your hands up.
I have been kicked in the side of the head before wuith a round house and it hurts! alot my teacher screamed keep your guard up!!!
have you ever seen a boxer drop his left guard when punching right? NO
am I alone on this? are there any other MA that would like to chime in?
seven star.. did you not just respond to OuiJi post by saying this???
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Originally Posted by Ou Ji
I have a pet peeve about peeps dropping their hands when they kick, most notably pulling them down with a front/heel kick.
sevan star
I hate that as well.
so you hate this? but yet have said all along that you supposrt this. and for the record please dont say its OK to do it for a front kick but not for a round house… or a side kick , or heel kick, or back kick , or cresent or what other kick you can think of…
then you said to my posts Quote:
Originally Posted by EarthDragon
would you then say both hands covering the face would double your chances of not being hit? place answer here______________
in this context, no. What is open when you drop the hand is the side of the face - only on one side.with both hands up, you have one hand protecting each side. plus, with the angled step, you are stepping out of the way of the incoming punch.
so you disagree that 2 hands are not better than 1???
you mentioned the stepping at an angle many times. As you know my system is
8 step, we always step extremly effectively. So lets say you step to that angle to kick and I step to counter what then?
It seems perhaps when you haved kicked and dropped your guard no one has clocked you at the same time. I would be persuaded to think that if this happened you would make it a good habit to keep your hands up.
I have been kicked in the side of the head before wuith a round house and it hurts! alot my teacher screamed keep your guard up!!!
have you ever seen a boxer drop his left guard when punching right? NO
am I alone on this? are there any other MA that would like to chime in?
When you execute round house kick, you are in the kicking range and not in the punching range. You should not have to worry about your opponent tries to hit your head. It’s after round house kick and while you are landing your feet, you are then in your opponent’s punching range. All you need is to follow up with a hook punch to your opponent’s head for offense or for defense purpose.
The best counter against a straight punch is a hook punch. The best baiting for a straight punch is to “drop your leading hand down”.
I get like twice as much power when I drop my hand. The other hand comes across to protect the face, although it really doesn’t do that good of a job.
True but I was taught to step in against a roundhouse kick which puts you in punching range. So while you may start the kick in kicking range you could easily be in punching range while your foot is still in the air.
Hands up for protection is backup cover if you miss.
I wonder if tests were ever done with this kick with a force meter on a bag.
Round house kick is bad idea anyway. It’s just too easy to be caught. The risk is too high.
High round kick is too risky and low round house kick is not effective (if your opponent turns his shin toward you) so what’s the value of round house kick? It’s only good to get 1 point in the Sanshou fight.
Uh-huh.
Riiiight.
Generally no, because the people who say this are generally people who don’t practice full contact, full speed against good roundhouse kickers.
Value:
High; can get a KO, can cut the head, can set up the low coming next!
Middle; can break an arm, can break ribs, can wind opponent if into solar plexus or gut, can damage organs.
Low; can sweep post leg (esp against your beloved shin turn!), can buckle knee, causes cumulative damage on thigh/calf/shin, can set up the high.
That have been my favorite for many years.
And guess what- those master are teaching it like that too.
So it becomes “cool”
On the contrary, full contact Sanshou fight is the only thing that I’m interest in at this moment.
The difference between round house kick and other straight line kick such as side kick or front kick is that the round house kick travels in a curve path. It comes in 2 dimension as a whip (or staff) instead of in 1 dimension as a spear. Common sense tell us that it is easier to block a stick or sword that swing at you, than to block a spear that stab at our. To catch a front or side kick require better timing because the window is very small. To catch a round house kick is much easier because the window is larger. You can not only catch it when it comes, you can also catch it when it leaves (after contact). The head or chest level round house kick is extremely easy to catch because his leg just come into your arms and you don’t even have to move much. All you need is to use both of your arms to set up as a “trap - block with one arm and upper hook with the other”. The low round house kick (below the knee) can also be caught but have to wait it after contact. After you have turned your shin into your opponent’s low round house kick, it’s just you shin against his shin and who ever has tougher shin will stand and the kicker has no advantage at all.
Most people do not practice the round house kick counters enough to make it effective. If your opponent’s round house kick can break your bone then you are not in any condition to fight in the ring any way. If your opponent can catch your round house kick then the he can finish you any way he like and everything will be too late after that point. If your round house kick can kill your opponent then you win. If you cannot and if he can catch that kick then you lost. Why do you want to take that kind of risk and bet your entire winning or losing on just one single round house kick?
What could happen after he has caught your round house kick? He could hook your standing leg and then drop his knee into your grion with all his body weight behind. The fight will be over and everything will be too late after that.
Your round house kick will give your opponent a chance to “run you dow”. Why you want to give him an opportunate for that?
Your assumption is that the kicker is stronger then his opponent. What if both has the same amount of ability? If both has tough arms and legs and body condition then who has more advantage? The kicker or the catcher?
-you don’t step out when you throw a front kick
-dropping the hand isn’t acting as a counter balance when you front kick
-there is no benefit at all from it when you front kick
so you disagree that 2 hands are not better than 1???
your two hands are not on the same side of the face, so essentially you are still only defending with one on the would be exposed side.
you mentioned the stepping at an angle many times. As you know my system is
8 step, we always step extremly effectively. So lets say you step to that angle to kick and I step to counter what then?
raised read hand - your face is guarded. I’ve said that several times as well.
It seems perhaps when you haved kicked and dropped your guard no one has clocked you at the same time. I would be persuaded to think that if this happened you would make it a good habit to keep your hands up.
that is because my opposite hand protects me.
I have been kicked in the side of the head before wuith a round house and it hurts! alot my teacher screamed keep your guard up!!!
that has happened to me several times, but not while throwing a roundhouse, for the reasons I keep stating.
have you ever seen a boxer drop his left guard when punching right? NO
why would he? see above about why you wouldn’t drop it for a front kick.
As I said previously I don’t think peeps use the roundhouse kick correctly. If you lead off with it, especially with a fresh opponent, it will be easily blocked or caught. I’m talking about using it with a worn down opponent or as the punctuation of a flurry of punches.
Set it up with punches then drill it into the ribs. Work the body hard and finish with roundhouse to head. Roundhouse kick is not a standalone technique. It usually fails when used that way.
Any MT guys here that like to catch roundhouse kicks to ribs?
- Boxer’s hook punch can knock your head off.
- BJJ guy’s ground fight can break your arm.
- Systema guy’s intention can scare you to death.
- Muah Thai guy’s round house kick can break your ribs.
When we facing them, we CMA guy better put tail between our legs and run like hell.
Systema guy’s intention can scare you to death.
:rolleyes:
That’s a matter of opinion, but I could see why you would fight that way.
low round house kick is not effective (if your opponent turns his shin toward you)
And a punch isn’t effective if you turn your forearm into it, and a leg-throw isn’t effective if you sprawl, so what are the good of punches and throws? Nothing’s effective if your opponent counters it; that’s where timing and feints come in. A low roundhouse is very effective if you set it up with punches so it connects, and if your opponent does turn his shin to block it, it’s very effective at setting up cut kicks on the other leg.
sevenstar,
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. For I have been strickley taught by some extremly good martial artists that you dont drop your hand to kick no mater what.This is lazy a bad habit. and if you have to counter balanceor think it gives you more power you need to improve your kicking. droping the hand is generally a begginers mistake for it gives you a false sense of enhanced power.
For the style of you and your teachers, yes, that is 100% true.
Judge Pen,
those styles would be hung gar, Go Ju Ryu, and prayingmantis
I cant see other styles differing… a kick is a kick and body mechanics are body mechanics.
How many other styles would you say are taught to drop the guard as they kick?
In all my years I have not heard of this. And I know a couple of MT fighters in other parts of he world. When i asked them about this as far as MT goes they laughed and said unless you want to be hit.
We are going around in circles here man. For what it is worth, I was not taught to drop my hands either. My style thinks it is a bad habit also, but every MT person I’ve met drops an arm, torques hard, and uses the other had to defend the face. If you found some that do not, then more power to you.
But to answer your question, only the one style that I know, but I’m not to say that they are kicking incorrectly for their style. I will say it’s wrong for my kicks, and I learned that the hard way.