I’ve been off for the Holiday (hope all of you had a good Christmas) and just got back in to read the forum. There’s been a lot of good stuff posted on this topic and that’s exactly the type of stuff that I was hoping to see when I joined the forum.
I still have a long way to go in my own training before I fully learn the the 8 hard and 12 soft ways… I hope to one day be a sifu, but if it doesn’t happen, then it doesn’t happen… Anyway, lately (in class) we’ve been treating the concepts of 8 hard and 12 soft as more of notes on a musical scale meaning that you can use them in an almost infinite variety of combinations. What we’ve been drilling harder is So Fot, Bo Fot, and Sun Yeen (my spelling of Cantonese words sucks, but roughly translated the words would be hand technique, footwork, and body positioning) to gain time and to control distance. Also, we’ve been drilling more on the concepts of hard and soft, like, if the opponent uses hard, you use soft to defeat them and so on…
I was wondering if some of you have had similar training experiences or what your thoughts would be on this.
it seems like you are on the right road to becomeing a sifu
Most people dont even begin to grasp the hard and soft methods durig there whole time training Mantis I myself have just started to comprehend the specrum they hold.
when encountering a hard movemnt teh 12 soft wayswere designed to neutralize the,m and the hard methods were mde to ****er teh soft so they inter mix.
if treated seperatly tey are small idea as treated as a whole they paint the big picture. Alot of schools neglec to train te methods as training skills. They should be drilled wit several tech and made to applied to full contact situations.
I am glad that we have came gether to discuss this it is to bad some of the more prominent Sifu’s on this bored hasn chimed inas this post could really be a prime example of what this board was made for.
To much gossip and who is legit talk has been the nore ( i have also bee caught up in the debates lol)
Also alot of schools negelct the foot work needd to apply this tec and I am happy your teacehr has been drilling you on the usage of foot work body alignment and fighting concpets and how they coresponde to each other..
To al on this thread hapy holidays and may this new year hold untold blessing for you and yours…
Yes, you are correct in guessing I study with Sifu Tony Chuy in NYC. I am not surprised that our usage of “diep jow” are similar since Sifu spent time training with Chiu Sigung, particularly in sahn sao and trapping skills.
Thank you for the clarification and I apologize for not quite understanding them the first time around. I had thought it odd that “diep” was translated as folding but I understand your point about the folding of the arm for issuing power.
Nice to have meet a student of Sifu Chuy. My regards to him. So we are in a way borthers in TJPM then. Not need to apologize, my friend. I thought your post was quite nice. There are quite a few long posts in this thread. Things could be missed easily. Thank you for the best wishes and same to you. BTW, if you have not visited the TJPM forum yet here’s the address:
Most everyone has talked about using the elbow technique to break or dislocate their opponents elbow.
Young Mantis likes the elbow to the face. For the record, I find, in the elbow drill I do, if my partner messes up his feet then I almost can’t help not hitting him in the face with my elbow.
But back to the broken elbow. I think most people have also learned using rigid #4 , folding elbow encircling hard(die dzo ying gong) to break or dislocate their opponents elbow. There are also many books describing it this way.
Rigid #8 seems to be less certain. I believe that this is the specific rigid technique that describes dividing tendons and dislocating joints.
Shuai luo liang fen, which literally means throw-grab-two-seperate.
If you disagree, then no problem as I believe I have seen some other explanation for this one.
But, if you also learned that this is to SEPERATE TWO bones from the tendon or joint, then why does rigid #4 also seem to do the same?
Not need to apologize, my friend. I thought your post was quite nice. There are quite a few long posts in this thread. Things could be missed easily. Thank you for the best wishes and same to you. BTW, if you have not visited the TJPM forum yet here’s the address: