I have brought these posts to the attention of Si Fu Cameron. he thinks
this is getting out of hand and this is his reply:
Hello Gwa Sow Chop,
As my student Kung Lek has informed me of these posts, I feel it necessary
to respond, which is unusual, since I do not like to become involved in
> these discussion groups. However, the issues you have mentioned in your
> post to Kung Lek implicate myself and make indirect comment on my
> character ie. - and this was maybe not your intent (if it was not then
> please clarify). I have told my student that I learned Dragon System from
> my Teacher Si Fu Kudding and you say this is false. Now you can not
> comment with any authority on a situation/subject, when you were not
> there. I learned from Si Fu Kudding from 1974 to 1984. From 1978 to 1984
> I also learned privately from him as an ‘inner door’ student. It was
> during the private sessions that I learned forms 8, 9, 10 and Dragon. no
> one else was present, so no one - can comment - you just do not have the
> knowledge to… as you were not present. I have close to 30 years
> experience in Chinese martial arts and derivatives of Chinese martial arts
> such as Shaolin Kempo. I have seen many other styles in these years.
> With this amount of experience, I can safely say that the Dragon System I
> learned privately from Si Fu Kudding is most definitely Dragon of the
> Southern variety. It is not of the same lineage as your Si Fu, but
> ‘Dragon’ none the less. Now I am not discussing outer door forms such as
> 1 to 6 or even 7. Regarding these forms you seem to have a personal beef
> with Master Kudding - so please take it up with him and not I or my
> student. What I object to is your statement to Kung Lek, my student, that
> what I told him of Si F Kudding teaching me Dragon as being false or that
> Si Fu Kudding did not know it to teach it to me . This is a comment on my
> character, knowledge and experience and I most certainly do not appreciate
> it. If you think I do not know Dragon when I see it, then you also
> insult me. As I said, no one was present when I learned what I learned
> privately. My knowledge and skills speak for themselves as do those of
> your Si Fu, Neil McRitchie.
> Regarding your original post - you mention to come down for tea and then
> in the same breath you mention sparring… so what is it - Tea?,
> Sparring?, Both? When done in this way, it could be viewed as a veiled
> challenge. All we wished to do was to clarify this point and i believe
> you have - Tea/discussion, thats all. By the way, it is really up to your
> Si Fu to make the invite, not you as a student, unless you have his
> permission.
> Now, I have met up with your Si Fu and my Kung Fu Brother, Neil and we
> have discussed this matter and agreed that there have probably been some
> misperceptions here that need to be clarified, which we have done. He
> will make a post re this and this is mine.
> Your Si Fu learned what he learned from our first Si Fu and I learned what
> I learned from him – no one else has the right to comment on this except
> your Si Fu and I. So please, lets end this now.
>
> To Mo Ying - although I appreciate your defense of myself, please do not
> critisize my kung Fu brother, Neil. He is a most knowledgeable Si Fu and
> has most excellent sparring skills. We are Kung Fu brothers and did not
> spar years ago to ‘best’ each other.
>
> Sincerely
> Wes Cameron
> Si Fu, Shaolin West Kung Fu Kwoon
[This message has been edited by Kung Lek (edited 08-23-2000).]
