This really follows on from the recent Sai and Nunchaku threads, but raises a point that wasn’t brought up there.
Why do we tend to ignore the development of CMA outside of China? Many of us study lineages that haven’t been in mainland China for 60 years, and for some 150. There’s been CMA in Malaysia, Taiwan and the Philipines for longer than styles such as Jow Gar and Hung Fut have existed (indeed, Jow Gar’s founder learned northern Shaolin in Malaysia).
Now, if these schools adopted an indigenous weapon 150 years ago, surely it must now be a traditional CMA form? For example, I know a CLF Sai form from a Malay lineage. It’s definitely a CMA form, but knowing the history it was almost certainly absorbed from Silat. So is it TCMA or isn’t it?
It’s a good question and a subtext to several threads here. It’s certainly traditional for your lineage, but it’s not pure to the TCMA that still exists in China or the masters that left, but never adopted any indeginous weapons or techniques for the area that they located.
There is nothing wrong with adding something to your skill set as long as you are honest about where it came from. The beef is usually when people rewrite history to make the extra stuff look like it’s been there all along.
Sure, but if a Chinese master adds a weapon such as sai, and yet it maintains the Chinese fundamentals isnt’ it a Chinese form? Or is it something different? Not advocating, just asking.
Originally posted by Judge Pen
Sure, but if a Chinese master adds a weapon such as sai, and yet it maintains the Chinese fundamentals isnt’ it a Chinese form? Or is it something different? Not advocating, just asking.
Chinese form for a non-Chinese weapon.
Yes, defenitely be honest where it came from! The local Hung Gar teacher teaches a few non-Hung Gar forms in his curriculum and tells you exactly where he got them too. Same with my first wushu coach, who would incorperate some Arnis into our training.
Traditional
hmmmm hard question.
this sort of goes along with a qustion I ask from time to time and never seem to get a satisfactory answer for.
You hear TMA guys screaming and yelling from time to time about so and so putting this or that into their art, or modifying it or changing it somehow. This comes up alot when people are arguing about what is good, what is traditional and what works. I’ve always thought it was a silly argument because what does it matter if you can make it work. If you find that such and such a tehcnique works really well with an art that didn’t have it before, who cares? I imagine most of these arts have been constantly evolving for years in one way or another. Why get stuck on what was being taught hundreds of years ago?
The irony in my mind is that the one thing I really like about Bruce Lee’s concepts was the idea of adapting it to you. What’s so wrong with adapting an art to make it work for you?
Originally posted by red5angel
What’s so wrong with adapting an art to make it work for you?
Nothing, if you’re honest about what you are doing. The line we’re discussing is if you make all the changes and then insist your still doing it the old way.
Originally posted by red5angel
You hear TMA guys screaming and yelling from time to time about so and so putting this or that into their art, or modifying it or changing it somehow. This comes up alot when people are arguing about what is good, what is traditional and what works. I’ve always thought it was a silly argument because what does it matter if you can make it work.
exactly.
MK, I can understand that, but I think it generally goes ****her then that. Ever visit the WC forum? Mention to those guys your slipping in some boxing, or grappling and they freak out cause wingchun “has it all already”. That’s just an extreme example of course, other TMA peeps do this as well and it’s just plain silly. What bugs me is the attitude like the guys who created the art already figured it all out, or didn’t borrow anything from anyone else ever.
I’ve never heard of a martial artists even the TMA old guys, who didn’t do some crosstraining into other arts for various reasons.
No argument there.
Even Jesus cross-trained in Buddhism.
I think I must be flash backing from my WC days. Those guys are real touchy about anything that isn’t WC…
Those guys are real touchy
had a feeling that would come out of your mouth soon.
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Oh, about when things become traditional..
When I say so.
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