[QUOTE=EarthDragon;909741]humbleness comes with wisdom. [/QUOTE]
Earthdragon, Really good point - thanks for that.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;909746]I agree! The reason that we train because we want to be able to do “something” better than others. [/QUOTE]
That’s not the reason I train, but I can see what you’re saying for folks coming from that angle.
If you have no ego, you are classified as insane because you are disconnected from the self. ego= the “I”.
this is necessary so we can tell ourselves apart from trees or birds, or other earthly things. It is sentience in a word. Self realization, ability to understand that you are an individual being.
your ego dissipates when your breath does. lol
The term “sifu” sets a person apart from the student and is in and of itself an indicator of ego in the basest sense.
If one were to have no ego, they wouldn’t recognize themself as mother or daughter or brother or son or father or uncle or sifu or simo etc etc etc.
It is a mistake people make when they aspire to gain fulfillment through some activity they bring into their lives.
If you attempt to destroy your ego, you simply destroy yourself.
the ego-less are dead or crazy. 
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;909757]
the ego-less are dead or crazy. :)[/QUOTE]
You make it sound like humility is not an objective as you’re developing martial skills. Is that what you mean?
[QUOTE=wetwonder;909762]You make it sound like humility is not an objective as you’re developing martial skills. Is that what you mean?[/QUOTE]
(Shan Chang Ru Lao Hu Xia Chang Ru Mian Yan) – You act like a tigher in the ring, you act like a sheep elsewhere.
[QUOTE=wetwonder;909762]You make it sound like humility is not an objective as you’re developing martial skills. Is that what you mean?[/QUOTE]
humility is not the objective of the lessons of martial arts.
you should be thankful to your teacher for taking you as a student and giving you knowledge you did not have previously. this is not humility, it is thankfulness and it is gratitude, which in the relationship between teacher and student is more important than student who is focused on humility.
you humble yourself when you have transgressed in a relationship and recognize your transgression.
No need to take on humility otherwise.
Should you be humble towards those who would beat you? Should you show humilty towards those who commit transgression towards you or those you love?
Practice humilty in church, in martial arts, you must strengthen your mind as well as your body and humility will not take you there.
be grateful, be respectful to your teachers, be silent when they speak to you and be there to learn when they are there to teach.
humility has nothing to do with it in context.
[QUOTE=wetwonder;909701]I’m speaking hear of original asian-lineage bonafide generational masters from China that teach in the U.S. Masters that were themselves disciples of their Sifus back in the old country.
My curiousity stems from what I’m perceiving as difficulty being a serious student within a student population that has many types that in the old country would probably have been rejected by a traditional asian master. Egos, contradicting the master, hostility towards others. I wonder, whether in this climate in the U.S., if serious study and serious commitment is even available by a legitimate asian-lineage master, amongst the fog of the many student types that pay the monthly fees.[/QUOTE]
Well, it’s a double edge sword really. If someone came out and said they were of original asian-lineage that would open a can of worms that would demand all sorts of proof and criticism. Look at modern shaolin and how they still face scrutiny…even though Shaolin originated in China.
I think in modern times it is still possible to to have a serious study commitment. You just have to train harder and pass up the majority of the student base that isn’t committed or are casual learners.
[QUOTE=wetwonder;909705]I’m speaking of the traditional bona-fide masters who held respect, honor and ethics above all else. So “attacking” in that context would not happen.[/QUOTE]
these are few and far between
lol funny how people never want to point out the links between mafia style organisations and martial arts
people have and do train in martial arts soley for their own ends and there is almost no one who is a “good guy” ala wong fei hung
people are people
this guy is pretty weak
did your dad leave you as a child or something
i’ve found this alot from when i did kung fu that people suck up big style to the teacher, they want a father figure or someone to follow and its sad really
they often lack something in their lives.
like it says in my sig
“their are only masters where there are slaves”
[QUOTE=golden arhat;909784]this guy is pretty weak
did your dad leave you as a child or something
i’ve found this alot from when i did kung fu that people suck up big style to the teacher, they want a father figure or someone to follow and its sad really
they often lack something in their lives.
like it says in my sig
“their are only masters where there are slaves”[/QUOTE]
no need to be mean about it. lol
the guy is early in, everyone needs time.
It’s one of the biggest questions in anybodies life really.
that question being “who am i?”
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;909787]no need to be mean about it. lol
the guy is early in, everyone needs time.
It’s one of the biggest questions in anybodies life really.
that question being “who am i?”[/QUOTE]
lol i suppose i was a bit mean
if your dad left you then i’m sorry:p
[QUOTE=golden arhat;909790]lol i suppose i was a bit mean
if your dad left you then i’m sorry:p[/QUOTE]
I’ve met a lot of people in my life who experienced difficulty in their families, or lost a parent due to death or leaving the family.
This is very difficult for people and some folks never get over it or even take a path taht will help them to deal with that turmoil that’s in them because of those events.
these days, there are more and more people who come from broken homes and yes, quite a lot of them do need a father figure or a mother figure or even others to be in a role of sibling.
To gain identity and to identify oneself with a filial association is a good thing as it nurtures a decent human being ultimately as long as the relationships are for the most part positive and nurturing.
if your kungfu practice and family gives you this, all the more power to you!
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;909792]
if your kungfu practice and family gives you this, all the more power to you!
:)[/QUOTE]
theres a difference between establishing a bond and sucking up to someone
i dont live with my dad and i suppose there are some fatherly figures in my life other than him, but no one i’ve specifically chosen or tried to become close to
some of my friends exemplify fatherly traits so i get a bit of that from people and i understand the need to have positive male role models around
but its silly to expect something more from a kung fu teacher and living with him isnt going to make your training any better because its up to you, and no ones taking you in unless you pay rent anyway so whats the point its like paying more for the same tuition.
[QUOTE=golden arhat;909794]theres a difference between establishing a bond and sucking up to someone
i dont live with my dad and i suppose there are some fatherly figures in my life other than him, but no one i’ve specifically chosen or tried to become close to
some of my friends exemplify fatherly traits so i get a bit of that from people and i understand the need to have positive male role models around
but its silly to expect something more from a kung fu teacher and living with him isnt going to make your training any better because its up to you, and no ones taking you in unless you pay rent anyway so whats the point its like paying more for the same tuition.[/QUOTE]
i guess i could have disclaimered that with “mutual” or “consensual”.
i agree that expecting something from someone without them explicitly agreeing to that arrangement and wholly derived from, and kept within ones own mind, is delusional to an extent.
but, if, IF, that person really is hurting inside, then compassion should rule the day and you either nurture that or get that monkey off their back in the most painless way possible.
whatever doesnt kill you…
except for heart attacks
they dont make you stronger
or radiation poisoning…
anyway if your hurting inside then thats where the solutions gotta come from, not from someone else.
[QUOTE=golden arhat;909784]this guy is pretty weak
did your dad leave you as a child or something
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I am weak, in the sense that I can work to become stronger.
I don’t know much, in the sense that there is always something else to learn.
That is what I mean by humility.
If you don’t believe humility is necessary to reach your full martial arts potential, then perhaps you’ve already reached it.
perhaps i have
however more likely is that i have more potential
and humility is secondary to achieving in life and martial arts
if you want to learn humility then join a religion.
saying that their is always more to learn or admitting that your not the best guy in the world isnt being modest or showing humility its called being a realist.
humility is over rated, and so is having someone to call master or lord or god
its the same reason i dont go to church
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;909748]youknowwho,
just a thought.. you are misusing the word Baqi…[/QUOTE]
youknowwho is a native Chinese speaker…
[QUOTE=golden arhat;909803]
humility is over rated[/QUOTE]
I don’t know if I understand what you mean there.
I can assure you, though, that People often over-rate themselves.
Newsday reports on this all the time…