So let me get this straight. Your friend trains Hung Gar and fights like a kick boxer. Why doesn’t he just learn kick boxing? Why doesn’t he use the horse riding stance when he fights or doesn’t he know how to use it? Do you fight like a kick boxer with kick boxing gloves, kick boxing rules and in a kick boxing ring?
2)Why is it you would shorten the radius for one opponent when you claim to be able to throw multiple opponenet with a large radius? Can’t you do the same with one opponenet? If so, I ask you again, why shorten the radius?
3)So the second arm is redundant because you have “smashed the temple with your jin”. Put it this way, Jin’s can be spotted a mile away. You’ll be lucky to hit the head let alone the temple, let alone smashing it.
Ah won’t it be more efficient to tuck in your elbows instead of having to guard your ribs with the other hand. 2 sides of your body have ribs you know. I reckon something’s going to get hit!
Yes you’re probably right, I don’t know very much but you probably can still learn alot from me anyway.
So let me get this straight. Your friend trains Hung Gar and fights like a kick boxer. Why doesn’t he just learn kick boxing? Why doesn’t he use the horse riding stance when he fights or doesn’t he know how to use it? Do you fight like a kick boxer with kick boxing gloves, kick boxing rules and in a kick boxing ring?
For practical purposes his school does this - dont ask me why, and nevertheless, its still TCMA.
2)Why is it you would shorten the radius for one opponent when you claim to be able to throw multiple opponenet with a large radius? Can’t you do the same with one opponenet? If so, I ask you again, why shorten the radius?
Why? I’ll ya why damn it! So you can move in and then do something else!!!
3)So the second arm is redundant because you have “smashed the temple with your jin”. Put it this way, Jin’s can be spotted a mile away. You’ll be lucky to hit the head let alone the temple, let alone smashing it.
WTF ARE YOU SAYING DUMB@SS??? Now you’ve just proved that you don’t know jack about Hop Gar. If you knew anything about our footwork, you woulda realized that that the sidestepping hides that back arm so you opponent can’t see it and thus you can throw a “jin punch” (btw, dont ever use this term again - its pissin me off - call it a chin-choi or a straight punch, got that damn it?!)
Ah won’t it be more efficient to tuck in your elbows instead of having to guard your ribs with the other hand. 2 sides of your body have ribs you know. I reckon something’s going to get hit!
No sherlock! Of course both sides of your body have ribs! Again - FOOTWORK IS THE KEY HERE!!! I’M NOT GETTING INTO IT.
Zvika
“He’s not dead, 'es resting! Well if 'e’s resting, I’ll wake him up! 'Ello Mr. Polly Parrot…” -Monty Python, Dead Parrot Sketch
OKAY EGO HERES HOW AN ATTACK TO YOUR PERSON IN GENERAL
IM SIC RIGHT NOW SO ILL TYPE
YOU WOULD NOT WALK DOWN THE STREET IN A HORSE STANCE OR A LEAN BACK SMALL FRONT OR 50/50 TRIANGLE STANCE OR ETC
MOST HUMANS STAND UPRIGHT FEET GENERALL IN CLOSE
TOES SLIGHTLY OUT OR TO THE FRONT
SO TWO HUMANS SAY HELLO B STRIKES A
THEY WERE BOTH IN NATURAL HUMAN WALKING UPRIGHT TYPE OF A PATERN FOR U OTHERDIMENSIONALZZZ
A SIDE BOW OR A ONE LEG OR A ETC IS A TRICK UNTO ITSELF,to make an opponent attack openings in the human frame from certian levels that dictate that frame…that is why
humans donot formulate bodily positions for further momentum type dispositionzzz
initially because the human was not made aware of attack
toy u use style arguments based on a crane and a mantis mixed with your little cult faith otherdimensional view of this atmosphere
udonot look at styles based on the history and the individuals PLUS THE SOCIOLOGICAL THOUGHTS in relation to all styles around the realllzzz
DIMENSION IN WICH THEY WERE MADE
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MATHEMATICALLY ARGUE A REALTIME EVENT WITHOUT BASING ON NIEGHBOURING CIRCUMSTANCES
OKAY SO THAT EXPLIANED YOU HAVE ABSOLUTLY NO EXPIERIANCE AND YOUR !1 WAS LAME …EXCLAMATION 3 IS LAME TWO read above
2)Why is it you would shorten the radius for one opponent when you claim to be able to throw multiple opponenet with a large radius? Can’t you do the same with one opponenet? If so, I ask you again, why shorten the radius?“”""IM NOT SURE WHAT THAT WAS DIRECTED AT CUZ U DINT HAVE GOOD POINTS YOU JUST LIKE TO TALK,BUT ONE THING I HEARD NEVER BIN IN A MELEE WHILE HAVING AN IDEA TO PUNCH-----THE SAFEST BET IS TO KEEP MOVING AND THROWING STRIKES TO SHOCK &OR STUN UNTIL YOU CAN FLEE…I GUESS IT WOULD BE NICER TO A SINGLE OPPONENT TO KICK HIM IN THE NUTS AND RUN
BUT AGIAN ITS CIRCUMSTANTIAL
3)So the second arm is redundant because you have “smashed the temple with your jin”. Put it this way, Jin’s can be spotted"“how when you sidestepd his exertion and hes finishing exhale by the time your ready to counter”“”“”““meaning he punched””“”“”“” a mile away. You’ll be lucky to hit the head let alone the temple, let alone smashing it.
I’m sorry, I don’t think I follow your argument. But from what I gather, yes you’re right we don’t walk around in kung fu stance. But then again, we also don’t walk around in kick boxing stance either. I just don’t see your point.
Kong,
You want to hide a hand. Come on man, how many arms do you have. It pretty obvious with an over extended arm from your first Jin, your opponent would know that it’s your opposite arm and leg that’s coming.
Again you’re assuming that opponnet would complete their punch in the air as you side step for your Jin. that’s a very unrealistic assumption you’re making. Or are you saying that you side setp after your opponenet has punched? equally unrealistic.
About your footwork, all things being equal, you’re better off having your elbows tucked to protect your ribs.
From your last post, it looks like you got a foot stuck in your mouth. And correction, you probably can’t learn anything from me, or anything for that matter. Keept practicing your Jins. Your Jins will make you strong
okay so basically i figured u might be testing people to get thier fire moving ,maybe your a promote
but i really dont see any points to you continuosly posting
as far as i know isnt a kickboxing stance just a basic upright horse or a side position if you froze certian spaces of time
during a confrontational atmosphere
what is it with you and the side on guard stance
hip hurt or somthing…its almost as if your implying continuosly be close kneed and elbowed
i guess you would really hate to do like a fall onto your side and extend your leg quickly snapping the bottom heel to a spot that could disrupt an attack
as far as i know there is like 4 onguards for hopga that straight punch arm back i can think of grabl n punchr sidestep stop hit like bruce lee and what i read is the most advanced application of motions real continuos offense and defense one punch same block
ego read all posts and it will make sence
delete any personel attacks on you and it will make sense
oh wait how could clarity form in a crakt mirror
look at that its smoky only cuz u suk
exhale youll be aiight
One more thing…ego, you have succeeded in annoying me and refusing to listen to the point that I’m not going to bother with your posts…obviously you have psychological porblems of some kind if all you can do is point out how a style doesnt work.
Zvika
“He’s not dead, 'es resting! Well if 'e’s resting, I’ll wake him up! 'Ello Mr. Polly Parrot…” -Monty Python, Dead Parrot Sketch
You claim that you’re not a fool, but you’ve been a great pretender up to this point. Here’s an example why. You said that your friend learned Hung Gar when he was actually doing kick boxing. So I followed up with a few basic questions. And here’s your response " …dont ask me why, and nevertheless, its still TCMA."
This is just so funny, that you brought up a scenario that you didn’t know the fully story behind it. The best of all is that you accept that it is TCMA when it is clearly kick boxing. What exactly are you learning at your Hop Gar school? From the way you describe, it is totally impractical for fighting purposes.
Diago
You mentioned that there are 4 on guard positions for Hop Gar. Why dod you need an “on-gar” position anyway. Why 4, is it for different levels of readyness?
If you don’t know you could probably refer the question to Kong who would probably be hunched over and drooling from the side of his mouth when he is not on-gar to do hop gar!
Let me put it this way…for my friend, yeah I should have shut up and not said anything. But as for myself..do you have any chue how hard it is to explain how tecyhniwues work over the net?! I don’t appreciate your insults and you my friend should just go back to your wheelchair and keep dreaming of doing kung fu whihc is something you’ll never be able to do.
Zvika
“He’s not dead, 'es resting! Well if 'e’s resting, I’ll wake him up! 'Ello Mr. Polly Parrot…” -Monty Python, Dead Parrot Sketch
Life is not meant to be easy.That’s something you’ll learn to appreciate if you ever end up in a wheelchair.
But i wan’t refering to your kungfu technique, but rather commenting on the fact that you brough up an example that you didn’t know much about as a means ofjustifying what you’re saying. I thought that was a rather foolish thing to do. In restrospect, don’t you agree that I’m correct?
In terms of Hop Gar techniques, i think we have established that it is a matter of swinging one’s arms. Have you ever tried doing something like Ba Gua or Pi Qua, so that at least you’ll be able to hit something?
Sorry Ego, but the fact that I couldn’t come up with a way that a chin-choi works DOES NOT in ANY WAY POSSIBLE mean that all Hop Gar is is swinging arms. I’m sorry you didn’t learn the pracicalities of what you think is “swinging arms.” Just because you managed to get into a massive accident while you were taking Choy Lay Fut doesnt automatically make southern styles/ tibetan styles evil or something. Hope you have realized your utter stupidity…
Zvika
“He’s not dead, 'es resting! Well if 'e’s resting, I’ll wake him up! 'Ello Mr. Polly Parrot…” -Monty Python, Dead Parrot Sketch
Did someone hit you with a Hop Gar punch? I know that is very unlikely but what you said makes even less sense compared with the previous dribble you’ve posted. I’ve never said that Hop Gar or Southern Styles were evil. They had nothing to do with my accident. How did you come up with the causual link between the events? The same as throwing a Jin and hitting someone I suppoese…
Ok so screw everything I’ve said up untill now and just forget about it. Start over and clarify what the hell you are talking about so I can at least try to answer you semi-decently. One more thing, I believe I did ask you to not refer to that punch as a jin punch…dont ignore me. At least do me this much if nothin else.
Zvika
“He’s not dead, 'es resting! Well if 'e’s resting, I’ll wake him up! 'Ello Mr. Polly Parrot…” -Monty Python, Dead Parrot Sketch
Whatever, call it Chin Chow Choy for all I care. Either way, it ain’t going to hit nothin! it is just so d@mn predictable that Hop Gar stuff. I can tell you this because I’ve gotta background in Pak Hok and I know the footwork you’re talking about. However, I’ve had the opportunity to lean Ba Gua and Pi Qua - from that point on I never once looked back at Pak Hok.
I encourage you to do the same. Give these Northern systems a go and you see the fallacy in the theories of Hop Gar.
I did think like you at once stage that Pak Hok was the best thing since slice bread.
Hate to say it ego, but last time I checked, at some point in Chinese History - Hop Gar was an undefeated style, as well at the martial that the guards at the palace in Beijing used.
Zvika
“He’s not dead, 'es resting! Well if 'e’s resting, I’ll wake him up! 'Ello Mr. Polly Parrot…” -Monty Python, Dead Parrot Sketch
I’ll throw my two cents into this conversation at this point I suppose. Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion, but some opinions are clearly more valid than others. So, Ego, or Mr. Ego, or whatever you’d like to be called, can I ask you a few questions?
Who did you study Pak Hok with?
How long did you study it?
Did you learn Chat Sing Bouh or Jih Wu Bouh?
What level did you achieve in Pak Hok?
If you know so much about Pak Hok, can you please explain the following and arrange it in the proper order?
Neih Lahk Sau
Fei Hok Sau
Dou Lo Sau
Lau Sing Kuen
Your answers will give us a better appreciation of your credentials and the depth of your understanding on the subjects you are discussing
Yup you sure opened up a can of worms here. It’s so difficult to trace the true origins of a style. Possibly, it came from the ruggered mountains and quite possibly taught to the palace guards.
My suspicion is that the applications / way it was being taught in those days were similar to Ba Qua etc.. which is well known for it’s fighting ability. Why I suspect that is because if you look at the renouned fighting styles they share very similar theories. One of them is the use of large movements for close range to throw combined with comprehensive stance work for leg trapping.
Now I look back at Pak Hok Pai and I feel that the style would work so much better if applied along these concepts.
I also suspect that over the course of time the applications might have been lost / misinterpreted in some way. I’m not slagging pak hok in any way, but this is apparent across many stlyes - Northern onces or Karate.
Just to side track a little, Karate was never meant to be that “hard” and Tae Kwon Do never emphasised this much on high kicks. But then the rules of sports changed things. Even in Western martial arts, boxing is very different under the Queens Rules.
This is why I was suggesting to Kong to have a look at those Northern Styles which may provide a different level of understanding to Pak Hok.
Just a quick question ego: Since when does Pak Hok = Hop Gar? They might be similar but they are very different…thus, don’t talk about Hop Gar b/c it isn’t Pak Hok.
Zvika
“He’s not dead, 'es resting! Well if 'e’s resting, I’ll wake him up! 'Ello Mr. Polly Parrot…” -Monty Python, Dead Parrot Sketch
