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Wai Jia: The Kung Fu Forum Wing Chun
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[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1091930][QUOTE=k gledhill;1091928]oh Joy, if only you and ‘spider bite’ could feeeeel ! …:smiley: you like vt, no love it…arent you a little curious how a guy 5ft nothing was hailed as this amazing kung fu fighter…Yip Man. What gave him the ability to seem to be hitting/controlling turned opponents effortlessly like WSL, Philipp, Michael, etc… It ‘looks’ like a guy 6’4 isnt trying to stop being hit…but trust us HE IS !! :smiley:

Good grief! Same old same old repetitions. I shortened the verbose post.I do not think that you have a monopoly on being amazed by Ip Man or his style.

Joy Chaudhuri[/QUOTE]

Its out there Joy …just keep an open mind that Maybe you havent encountered it yet.

Verbose, me ? :smiley: I write for all not just you Joy…lot of lurkers here.:wink:

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[QUOTE=k gledhill;1091928]arent you a little curious how a guy 5ft nothing was hailed as this amazing kung fu fighter…Yip Man. What gave him the ability to seem to be hitting/controlling turned opponents effortlessly like WSL, Philipp, Michael, etc…[/QUOTE]

Why would anyone who was learning proper Wing Chun puzzle over this?

I suggest that people who do are lacking something in their training.

What I’m more curious about is how much of what has been argued on this forum has influenced some of these Fanboy Wing Chun Flavors. I remember a time when you yourself argued against “controlling while striking” with T Niehoff. Interesting that it’s cropping up as an element in your essays now.

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[QUOTE=Xiao3 Meng4;1091932]Why would anyone who was learning proper Wing Chun puzzle over this?

I suggest that people who do are lacking something in their training.

What I’m more curious about is how much of what has been argued on this forum has influenced some of these Fanboy Wing Chun Flavors. I remember a time when you yourself argued against “controlling while striking” with T Niehoff. Interesting that it’s cropping up as an element in your essays now.[/QUOTE]

differnt ‘controlling’ to the infamous TN..he uses 2 hands to fight one :wink: one fighting two is skill :smiley:

you need to feeeel…hands on is the only way to teach/coach/YOU…guys interpret clips in their vt minds eye, aka how I see vt through my understanding , there are alternative views , keep looking investigating, dont be afraid to try other ideas out.

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[QUOTE=k gledhill;1091935]differnt ‘controlling’ to the infamous TN..he uses 2 hands to fight one :wink: one fighting two is skill :D[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=t_niehoff;1064911]I don’t shoot down everything, as I repeatedly point out there is many people that seem to have a good grasp of the curriculum, including Lam, Wan, Sum Nung, Moy, Ho Kam Ming, various Gu Lao people, etc.[/QUOTE]

Having had the good fortune of meeting and sharing with one of Ho Kam Ming’s students last autumn, I can vouch that neither he nor his students “uses 2 hands to fight one,” so I doubt it’s what T meant. Nor do I recall him arguing for that particular approach.

Here’s the the Ho Kam Ming guy (in green, Jerome Aranas) doing Chi Sao with one of his students. Looks boring, eh? :smiley: :wink:

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[QUOTE=k gledhill;1091929]You cant see so its rubbish… Maybe your seeing how ‘you think’ VT works for YOU ..I have students from other ‘ideas’ who also adopted wide arms , high positions to ‘block’ punches…I now show them another ‘idea’…suddenly their arms and elbows come down and they turn only to ‘try’ and face me now…:smiley: its nice to know a few here reading will smile knowing what I mean …:D:D[/QUOTE]

No, it’s rubbish because anyone who fights striking with power can see its rubbish. And wide arms and high positions to block punches are not anywhere near what I’m talking about.

It’s control of space. If you have no elbow position you have no control of space - it’s just illusion, despite all your showing ‘ideas’ and ego regarding how you think you can turn anyone.

I know what you mean. You just don’t have a clue about structure, which is the underlying fundamental which can make all the rest of what you’re droning on about work.

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What I’m more curious about is how much of what has been argued on this forum has influenced some of these Fanboy Wing Chun Flavors. I remember a time when you yourself argued against “controlling while striking” with T Niehoff. Interesting that it’s cropping up as an element in your essays now.

TN used to argue against his previously stated opinions regularly. He argued mainly for the sake of arguing IMO.

Kev is becoming a lot like him.

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[QUOTE=Xiao3 Meng4;1091938]Here’s the the Ho Kam Ming guy (in green, Jerome Aranas) doing Chi Sao with one of his students. Looks boring, eh? :smiley: ;)[/QUOTE]

Xiao - I like that clip for structure a lot better, especially the taller guy. The guy in the green shirt gets collapsed in on himself. Note the difference in control of space by noting the elbow position there. (although looking at your post it looks like the guy in green is the teacher).

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[QUOTE=anerlich;1091940]TN used to argue against his previously stated opinions regularly. He argued mainly for the sake of arguing IMO.

Kev is becoming a lot like him.[/QUOTE]

NOT, I argue VT technique, not mantra copy paste fight fighters who can really er…fight :smiley:

I just dont like the idea of good VT going to waste, just sharing, ignore the thread otherwise, not like you have to come on to post how bored you are :smiley:
Im exited by all the good VT :smiley:

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[QUOTE=k gledhill;1091925]so no vt clips …I watch ufc and train some stuff too, not relative to my jong structure questions…whats that ?[/QUOTE]

You asked for clips. That’s what I’ve got from the team I train with. It’s only not relative if you don’t want to see it. Plenty of what you call “po pai” going on there. Except instead of people giving up after being shoved they keep fighting.

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[QUOTE=k gledhill;1091928]oh Joy, if only you and ‘spider bite’ could feeeeel ! …:smiley: you like vt, no love it…arent you a little curious how a guy 5ft nothing was hailed as this amazing kung fu fighter…Yip Man. What gave him the ability to seem to be hitting/controlling turned opponents effortlessly like WSL, Philipp, Michael, etc… It ‘looks’ like a guy 6’4 isnt trying to stop being hit…but trust us HE IS !! :smiley:
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you need to feeeel

No I don’t…

Im exited by all the good VT

You wanna exit, go ahead and exit.

ignore the thread otherwise

The ignore list is an option for you if you don’t wish to be told you’re gushing about PhilB like a schoolgirl in love with Justin Bieber, and that it’s unbecoming of a grown man.

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sorry, ex ‘c’ ited…Anerlich you are one bored dude, I can laugh at myself dont worry :smiley:

who’s justin beaver ?

wayfaring needs help. :smiley:

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I can laugh at myself dont worry

Join the choir laughing at you.

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[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1091941]Xiao - I like that clip for structure a lot better, especially the taller guy. The guy in the green shirt gets collapsed in on himself. Note the difference in control of space by noting the elbow position there.[/QUOTE]

I was honored to work with both of them, but I don’t remember the tall guy’s name. Hopefully I’ll have the opportunity to go back soon.

When I worked with the tall guy, He owned me on the first exchange. I’m a tall guy, with long arms, and honestly, I would hate to fight me. With this guy, I kinda did, and I was reminded of how it felt to work with someone I couldn’t just hold at bay by placing my hand on their forehead (sorry, short folks.)

It didn’t take me long to re-acclimatize, and I found his game pretty quick. The rest of the exchange went really well for me.

I felt really comfortable with the next 3 students, and then I worked with another Wing Chun immigrant: a guy who’d studied under Hawkins Cheung out in LA, who now lived in Ottawa and was training with Jerome. This guy was “Mr. Elastic Iron Bridge:” he had a totally different feel than the other guys, not least because he was waaay more aggressive with his body mass - and he was a thin guy, like me, but short, and I’d have to say that he got the better of me in our encounter.

A short break ensued while I went to dry heave. Cue the laughter from both myself, Jerome and his students, and now the forum. :slight_smile:

Returning to the floor, I finally had the opportunity to work with Jerome. All I can say is thank god for Chum Kiu, or else I would have felt utterly humiliated. The guy’s got good chops, literally, and lead arms coated with crazy glue.

Afterwards, one of the students kind of tried to “comfort” me, thinking it must’ve been embarrasing. “It’s not fair that he made you go through all of us before you got the chance to work with him” said the student. “Hey, if it was me, I’d have done the same thing,” I replied. :smiley:

I hope to train with them again someday.

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[QUOTE=Xiao3 Meng4;1091949]Afterwards, one of the students kind of tried to “comfort” me, thinking it must’ve been embarrasing. “It’s not fair that he made you go through all of us before you got the chance to work with him” said the student. “Hey, if it was me, I’d have done the same thing,” I replied. :smiley:

I hope to train with them again someday.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like fun, man.

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[QUOTE=anerlich;1091948]Join the choir laughing at you.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1091950]Sounds like fun, man.[/QUOTE]

I highly recommend a good old dry heave now and then. :slight_smile:

Also getting trounced in a safe-ish environment. Again, only now and then though. :cool:

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[QUOTE=anerlich;1091948]Join the choir laughing at you.[/QUOTE]

thread burn out …:smiley:

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[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1091941]Xiao - I like that clip for structure a lot better, especially the taller guy. The guy in the green shirt gets collapsed in on himself. Note the difference in control of space by noting the elbow position there. (although looking at your post it looks like the guy in green is the teacher).[/QUOTE]

okay now I know wayfarings thinking… laughing at you dude, you really think thats good …a waddling hand chasing example I couldnt choose better…guys move like elephants.

save the jong structure response, it now doesnt matter …

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[QUOTE=k gledhill;1091955]okay now I know wayfarings thinking… laughing at you dude, you really think thats good …a waddling hand chasing example I couldnt choose better…guys move like elephants.

save the jong structure response, it now doesnt matter …[/QUOTE]

Hmm…

[QUOTE=k gledhill;1091935]you need to feeeel…hands on is the only way to teach/coach/YOU…guys interpret clips in their vt minds eye,[/QUOTE]

I like this game.

Also, you go fight an elephant and tell us how that goes.