[QUOTE=Alan Orr;1173032]It is what it is. Its just one clip of some of our training. You deal with what you need to deal with at the that time. Its not a demo.[/QUOTE]
No, it doesn’t look like a demo.
I was just saying that many times students, KNOWING their teacher, give them more respect than they “should” ( Cause they know the teacher is better).
One of the reasons I prefer to see drills and sparring done by students than the teacher.
Not a critique Alan, simply an observation.
[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1173055]I understand. You definitely where not giving him a chance, lol. 
Please keep sharing as do particularly like your clips.
Many thanks. Yes, we have lots more coming. I have lots of sparring with my pro fighters but we have to hold that right now as they have fights coming up and we want to keep harder stuff in house so the opponent don’t get a look.
Are team has had 1 boxing win 2 K1 wins and 4 MMA wins in the last month.
best Alan
Thanks for posting Alan. I love watching your clips and as you say in your signature what you train is in some cases a bit different. On this occassion i’d agree with glen that however long your student has been training he seemed frozen and simply covered up waiting to be hit. Maybe it was out of respect, maybe just a bad day / session (only he will know), but there were plenty of opportunities for him to initiate / attack, defend / counter even allowing for your extra ability.
Only an opinion of course.
[QUOTE=wingchunIan;1173064]Thanks for posting Alan. I love watching your clips and as you say in your signature what you train is in some cases a bit different. On this occassion i’d agree with glen that however long your student has been training he seemed frozen and simply covered up waiting to be hit. Maybe it was out of respect, maybe just a bad day / session (only he will know), but there were plenty of opportunities for him to initiate / attack, defend / counter even allowing for your extra ability.
Only an opinion of course.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Ian. For sure he did more cover up than attack. But that was due to the pressure. Under pressure you can not always do the counter that can be seen by people under no pressure. It was a pressure test and for me its about holding it together under high pressure and trying to stay in the game. In BJJ if you are out gunned you just wait and stay safe as you can until you chance comes. Guys that go crazy get tapped quick. So yes he did freeze up for sure, but he is very skilled and a strong big guy. The key was to try to stay within the limits of Chi Sai and Gor Sao and not loose his mental control. When I spar with gloves with Sai he lands more strikes than in Chi Sao, but Chi Sao does have limits. My control of skill in Chi Sao in not bad so should be able to take control of him. If he was able to hit me back more, then people would be saying you are getting hit to much. lol
The reason we post these clips is no reason. Its just normal training. I am trying to get away from all the BS in wing chun from people that can’t fight or don’t train in a way that is testing what they are teaching. Lets just train and share clips of real training. What happen at 2.45 or 3.15 or when he looks that way or when my elbow was here or there is all pointless. That’s not what its about
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1173057]No, it doesn’t look like a demo.
I was just saying that many times students, KNOWING their teacher, give them more respect than they “should” ( Cause they know the teacher is better).
One of the reasons I prefer to see drills and sparring done by students than the teacher.
Not a critique Alan, simply an observation.[/QUOTE]
This is true. My guys fight so they come at me hard as we don’t have that type of thing where you can’t hit as I am the teacher going on. For sure if I go hard it causes them to freeze up more but that’s the test. I have other guys that just go harder and harder as well lol On the same weekend we did over 15 hours training. I got punched, kicked, taken down, rocked and tapped! and I was teaching them! That’s a more than normal weekend for us.
Is it self-offense -or- self- defense that one pays for?
I don’t see anything he’s doing wrong and choose not to, because he’s just doing what he does.
I would beat my student silly if they don’t try to hit me back, all of my students are told to hit me and hit for real, the only reason why it looks like they’re giving me respect is; because they can’t get pass my defense…
Offenses is only and mostly crap to me; because anyone could throw a good punch, but can one stop a punch for real with good structure ; when it really counts.
That’s what’s up,
[QUOTE=Alan Orr;1173013]I know we train and use our wing chun in a way that some people would disagree with, which is all cool. I just like to put out a different view for people to see.[/QUOTE]
True, even boxers argue over the finer points in a hook; but Alan, more people should agree with you. If not the technical detail but at least on your approach. You got my vote.
[QUOTE=Alan Orr;1173075]The reason we post these clips is no reason. Its just normal training. I am trying to get away from all the BS in wing chun from people that can’t fight or don’t train in a way that is testing what they are teaching. Lets just train and share clips of real training. What happen at 2.45 or 3.15 or when he looks that way or when my elbow was here or there is all pointless. That’s not what its about[/QUOTE]
To me you guys train normally, like how I train with a MMA team, except my team’s base art and the coach’s background is Dutch MT not WCK. I post few clips of that training (but posted fights on the sticky thread) as everyone would say “that’s not WCK”. I don’t have a lot of comments on your clips because to me they look like “hey, there’s some guys training”. A lot of other clips to me look like “hey, there’s some guys slap fighting, or acting like they know ground work, or crashing into mirrors”.
[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1173722]To me you guys train normally, like how I train with a MMA team, except my team’s base art and the coach’s background is Dutch MT not WCK. I post few clips of that training (but posted fights on the sticky thread) as everyone would say “that’s not WCK”. I don’t have a lot of comments on your clips because to me they look like “hey, there’s some guys training”. A lot of other clips to me look like “hey, there’s some guys slap fighting, or acting like they know ground work, or crashing into mirrors”.[/QUOTE]
To people like Wayfaring and Sanjuro Ronin, why does this clip of training footage get a mostly free pass (minus some gentle ribbing about a non responding student) when much better clips of chi/gor sau are ripped to shreds for not being full on fighting?
Alan is even allowed to state nonchalently that this is just his normal training and that he is trying to get away from all the normal BS wing chun from people that don’t even train (when in fact all wing chun people do chi/gor sau and most do sparring).
Maybe you are all acting a bit like Alan’s student in the clip?
[QUOTE=guy b.;1173744]To people like Wayfaring and Sanjuro Ronin, why does this clip of training footage get a mostly free pass (minus some gentle ribbing about a non responding student) when much better clips of chi/gor sau are ripped to shreds for not being full on fighting?
Alan is even allowed to state nonchalently that this is just his normal training and that he is trying to get away from all the normal BS wing chun from people that don’t even train (when in fact all wing chun people do chi/gor sau and most do sparring).
Maybe you are all acting a bit like Alan’s student in the clip?[/QUOTE]
It’s all down to opinion too which is better or not. That’s why some will like what I do and other will like other methods. Of course you have made clear your dislike to me in other posts so it would be no surprise that you would like this clip.
Please post your clips so we can see what would be better.
[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1173722]To me you guys train normally, like how I train with a MMA team, except my team’s base art and the coach’s background is Dutch MT not WCK. I post few clips of that training (but posted fights on the sticky thread) as everyone would say “that’s not WCK”. I don’t have a lot of comments on your clips because to me they look like “hey, there’s some guys training”. A lot of other clips to me look like “hey, there’s some guys slap fighting, or acting like they know ground work, or crashing into mirrors”.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. Someone who gets it.
[QUOTE=Ali. R;1173662]I don’t see anything he’s doing wrong and choose not to, because he’s just doing what he does.
I would beat my student silly if they don’t try to hit me back, all of my students are told to hit me and hit for real, the only reason why it looks like they’re giving me respect is; because they can’t get pass my defense…
Offenses is only and mostly crap to me; because anyone could throw a good punch, but can one stop a punch for real with good structure ; when it really counts.
That’s what’s up,[/QUOTE]
Agree, nice.
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1173665]True, even boxers argue over the finer points in a hook; but Alan, more people should agree with you. If not the technical detail but at least on your approach. You got my vote.[/QUOTE]
Many thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SJrVX2Nr68
In this clip I am giving my student less pressure and more time to react.
This was our normal learning pressure.
[QUOTE=guy b.;1173744]To people like Wayfaring and Sanjuro Ronin, why does this clip of training footage get a mostly free pass (minus some gentle ribbing about a non responding student) when much better clips of chi/gor sau are ripped to shreds for not being full on fighting?
Alan is even allowed to state nonchalently that this is just his normal training and that he is trying to get away from all the normal BS wing chun from people that don’t even train (when in fact all wing chun people do chi/gor sau and most do sparring).
Maybe you are all acting a bit like Alan’s student in the clip?[/QUOTE]
Yep, if it was Kevins clip of him belting a student around they’d be all over him ike a bad suit
[QUOTE=GlennR;1173760]Yep, if it was Kevins clip of him belting a student around they’d be all over him ike a bad suit[/QUOTE]
post the clip
[QUOTE=Alan Orr;1173762]post the clip[/QUOTE]
There isnt one, its a hypothetical
[QUOTE=GlennR;1173763]There isnt one, its a hypothetical[/QUOTE]
Oh right. Bit of a pointless example then.
[QUOTE=Alan Orr;1173764]Oh right. Bit of a pointless example then.[/QUOTE]
Not at all.
Alan, ive always said i have liked your stuff… i just wasnt a fan of that clip.
Guys point was, and i agreed, that if it was anyone other than you (i used the example of Kevin) that the response from forum members would have been different.
[QUOTE=GlennR;1173765]Not at all.
Alan, ive always said i have liked your stuff… i just wasnt a fan of that clip.
Guys point was, and i agreed, that if it was anyone other than you (i used the example of Kevin) that the response from forum members would have been different.[/QUOTE]
That’s all cool.
But if it was a clip that was not by me, then of course opinion’s may be different. It would be a different clip. I can’t see the point in the comments about that.