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… Not to mention parasitic selfish parents who don’t care enough to get involved…[/QUOTE]
Yep. If my kids need help with homework, I’m not going to let them struggle alone while I whine because I can’t aford Sylvin or some other after school money sump. I’m going to help them with thier homework. If I can’t figure it out myself, then I REALLY need to work on those skills myself anyway.
There are all kinds of ways to help you kid if you don’t know the material yourself. I personally call my oldest boy’s teachers to find out what they are planning on teaching in the next week, month, whatever. Then I go google it if I don’t know what it is. It’s not hard. It’s not even time consuming; Heck, I spend more time goofing off on this board than I do researching my kids’ future homework topics…:rolleyes:
Standardized tests are pretty much worthless for anything but a scape goat, but the scape goat has never been the root of a problem. The same can be said for pop quizzes. They can give a teacher a valuble insite into his/her class’s work level. Or it can tell her if they ate breakfast or not, as a kid who didn’t eat well is going to do worse…
I see no point in blaming… It doesn’t help anyone. It doen’t even make me feel better.
Or teach them yourself… shesh, expecting a parent to involve themselves in thier child’s education???
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And what makes you think I didn’t? Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a High school student to work out math equasions WITHOUT a calculator when her TEACHER’S require them?
I will tell you what happens,it generates the entire school season of fighting, arguing, stress, rebellion and bitter heartbreak in the home and creates a kid who thinks her father is an oppressive overlord, THAT is what happens. It got to a point where I was so upset, for such a high percentage of the time that I could not even sleep at nite.
The attempt to force her to do math by hand when her teachers not only didn’t require it, but ADVOCATED cheating with a calculator got to be a case where it was causing more damage than good. I had to stop doing it for my own sanity, and her’s. The insistance that she do math by hand turned into such an enormous battle that the stress of it was bleeding over into my work, sleep and everything. It got so we both hated eachother for a while, and the family life was breaking down from the CONSTANT fighting and battle that ensued. You just cannot go the entire school year with a sick burnt feeling constantly in your stomach…your a moron if you think that is healthy!
Now, if I had support from her stupid teachers who would realise using a frik’n calculator was cheating, and punished kids for doing so none of this would have been a problem because we would all be on the same page. But you can’t have one kid trying to do her work right, while the rest of the class gets to cheat WITH THE TEACHER’S SUPPORT AND DIRECTION!!!
I have enough on my plate trying to keep a roof over our heads and food in the fridge. if I was in a position to home school her through highschool, I wouldn’t have been sending her to moronic modern and USELESS school in the frik’n first place!!
So don’t EVEN get me started on the Teach them yourself crap!! :mad:
Yeah, basic calculator is a must in my old Jr HS and HS. We stopped using paper after elementary.
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In my day a calculator was grounds for a detention for cheating. We actually were required to learn the material being taught. Cheating was not allowed.
Today Cheating is not only not a punishable offense, it is REQUIRED by the idiots posing as teachers!
In my day doing algebra was a mental exercise. we were able to look at the numbers, follow the algebraic formula and the answers just came to us. Why was this the norm back then? because we had memorized and used our math tables so extensively that they became like a language.
You put an algebraic equation in front of a kid today, and they couldn’t even think about doing it until the calculator was found.
In my day the first step would have been to solve for X.
Today the first step is to find the calculator and make IT do the work so you don’t have to.
[QUOTE=Mas Judt;763954]Socialism in our schools has been destroying our culture by replaceing a culture of independence with one of dependance - all while proclaiming how ‘free’ we are.[/QUOTE]
that can just as easily be scapegoated by conservatism and unchecked capitalism.
It’s of the stoning death of a teenage girl in Iraq. Outragious. It looked like hundreds of men were there and took part…no one lifted a finger to help.
Watch this video while at the same time remind yourself that these are the people that Americans are fighting and dying for.[/QUOTE]
I don’t really think this is so outrageous. Even in today’s modern society. Some of you will think I’m out of my mind, I’m sure. But even if you read the Bible, it doesn’t actually proscript anyone from stoning women to death. It merely says: “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
So, what I see when I watch this video are couple of stand-up guys who made smart life decisions, avoided sin whithersoever it lay in ambush, who stoned a girl because she violated the law.
[QUOTE=BraveMonkey;763779]All liberalism is, is a movement towards tolerance and free-thinking. It’s a way of thinking that promotes the idea that people should live as they see fit (as long as it doesn’t harm other people) rather than living as I see fit. I would hope that teachers and professors would in fact instill the idea people should have open minds and broad perspectives, rather than trying to instill strict boundaries on what is and is not okay based on personal biases and/or religious dogma.[/QUOTE]
I’m sensing a pattern of me agreeing with you BraveMonkey lol, nicely said, very well put.
I think a better term than liberal is progressive. What is “liberal” is always changing. Many of the values and beliefs that republicans hold would have been considered liberal 200 yrs ago. Liberals want to keep changing things to make them better, conservatives think that if we go back it will make them better.
The problem I see for conservatives is that the world is changing so fast now. Technology and knowledge accumulation are acclerated. There are huge differences now in the experiences of people born only 10 yrs apart.
This “human experiment” has a life of its own now. We can only adapt and try to do the least amount of harm and cause the least amount of suffering.
We can’t go back.
If anyone is interested there is a theory known as Spiral Dynamics that seeks to explain the evolution of value systems. Its an interesting perspective.
Gee. The blame game. How fun. Prime example of what is wrong with the ME too, incidentally. Anyway…
My 5-point plan for un****ing the public school system:
Pay teachers more. You can’t attract better talent without more cash. There is a price for this, found in point 2.
End tenure for public school teachers. You’re an employee, evaluated on performance, not on longevity.
Establish performance metrics that include standardized tests for various subjects at particular waypoints. These tests would include essays and such, so I’m not just talking about multiple choice scantron bull****. Yeah, I know standardized tests aren’t popular to some people, but you’ve got to measure if you want improvement. Tough ****.
Recognize that not every kid is college material. Establish exams before you enter your Junior year of High School to determine university or votech track. Institute appropriate vo-tech education to give them the specialized skills to make a good living, and get them certified in a skill/program of their choice. This doesn’t mean they can’t pursue a college degree later in life. There is as much honor and worth in landscaping, being a good mechanic, a plumber or a nurse (yes, I know that takes longer…) as there is in a bachelor’s degree.
Create accountability in your students. ****-ups have consequences. I have a friend, for instance, that had to figure out which students REALLY deserved to fail, because she was only allowed to fail a certain percentage. **** that.
[QUOTE=Fu-Pow;764111]I think a better term than liberal is progressive. [/QUOTE]
I leave the term “Progressive” to the Democrats and all the others who are interested in word play. If someone introduces themselves to me as a progressive I simply shake their hand, say “Nice to meet you” and move on. Personally I have less respect for these people than I do the hard core conservatives. The “Progressives” are trying to have their cake and eat it too.
I’m a liberal. If anyone has a problem with that then that’s just too bad.
“whats all this BS about liberal and conservative no one is just one thing
for instance when it comes to crime i’m conservative …when it comes to prostitution i’m liberal” -chris rock
If schools need more money, how come a stay at home Mom can educate her kids via Home schooling with almost no budget at all?
See my post.
The money for the schools isn’t going to the schools, and even when it gets there they do stupid stuff with it. They need class rooms, books, and well paid teachers that’s it.
The stay at home mom doesn’t have 40 students per class.
[QUOTE=SanHeChuan;764168]The money for the schools isn’t going to the schools, and even when it gets there they do stupid stuff with it. They need class rooms, books, and well paid teachers that’s it.[/QUOTE]
I’ve never understood how throwing money at the educational system is going to magically improve it.
They need Class rooms? Really? What’s wrong with the ones we have?
Books? I’ve never heard of a school system in the US that did not have books for students.
Pay the teachers more? And that’s going to magically increase their skills.
We need to concentrate on what is being taught and take the politics (School prayer, bible study, other conservative distractions) out of the classroom.
Things I would spend money on:
Teachers assistants, Let’s get someone in the classroom to help these teachers
Classes for parents on how you can improve your child’s preformance
More Special Ed classes…Let’s face it…There are kids out there so dumb they are never going to pass regular school…it’s time we quit just passing these kids through the system and paid attention to their needs.
Here is what happens in the land of nuts and bigger nuts when liberal progressives get there hands on kids in a school setting. BTW, this is Boulderdawg’s neck of the woods, which as I believe Becca pointed out before, one of the most far left liberal cities in America.
Nice, telling kids to have sex and drugs, and here this guy is complaining about optional bible study in schools or prayer as a distraction. Get a grip dude. You should listen to the audio clip on this panel, this guy is a smuck, and whoever brought these people in should be fired.
whats wrong with sex ?
not everyone believes in abstinence
if u do thats your choice and its not your right to force it on other ppl
as long as its safe sex then thats fine
drugs are bad m’kay sos drink but kids are gonna do it anyway so why not educate them ?
bible study in school is bad unless ur gonna introduce dhammapada quoran and torah study aswell
prayer in school and the “under god” thing is also notgood
(btw under god and in god we trust were added in the 50s’s to rally ppl against the atheist communist “enemy”)
Nothing but try and stay on context with where the panel was.
if u do thats your choice and its not your right to force it on other ppl
as long as its safe sex then thats fine
Wrong again buckey. No public school should have a mandatory, sneak up on you, panel for kids telling them they should take drugs, masturbate and have sex because there going to anyway.
Totally undermines what morals and goals the parent is trying to set.
bible study in school is bad unless ur gonna introduce dhammapada quoran and torah study aswell
Any school that does have bible study, there are not many, makes it a after school optional get together, which I see nothing wrong with, for that matter with any religon.
