Ever think the problem may have been you?
Wait,
Why is the title of the thread changed???
I did not make the thread at all regarding any political agenda, read the post for the love of pete. It just happened to be changed during the course of its evolution. The title was “absurd use of realism” and it was to reflect the use of realism in enviromental training for these kids and how these people had no background in this type of thing nor was it cool doing it in the context allowed.
So why change it???
Who did that, Seven or Design?
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If you were white and rich with the right connections you got put into the advanced classes.
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BS, its how your paranoid mind viewed it.
I don’t like this new trend in title changing…it’s too reminiscent of Bullshido.
Royal,
Yeah, what the hell. This is the second time. What is goofy about this one is it happened mid stream.:rolleyes:
I mean are we going to do that to all the post topics that go offline on what it was supposed to be???
I call bs on this.
[QUOTE=rogue;763897]Ever think the problem may have been you?[/QUOTE]
I guess so…
My bad for thinking that if you’re in a 7th grade class for advanced students you should at least be able to do the work on a 7th grade level. I quickly found out what “Advanced” really meant!
[QUOTE=BoulderDawg;763895]Later I found out that “Advanced placement” was just another word for “Social placement”. If you were white and rich with the right connections you got put into the advanced classes. Oh yeah, there were a few bright kids in the class who earned it but you could not teach them because more than half the class would simply be lost![/QUOTE]
Man, I thought right wing conservatives had some crazy conspiracy theories. But I would have to say, this one is in the top 3.
Holy sheeps brain. Put down the bong, lay off the acid and turn off CNN for a minute would ya. :eek:
[QUOTE=xcakid;763923]Man, I thought right wing conservatives had some crazy conspiracy theories. But I would have to say, this one is in the top 3.
Holy sheeps brain. Put down the bong, lay off the acid and turn off CNN for a minute would ya. :eek:[/QUOTE]
No “conspiracies” about it. When you walk into an 7th grade advanced placement math class where the majority of the student have to have a calculator to add 125 + 50 then you know there’s something going on.
That is because they never learned math in the first place. They learned how to use a calculator.
I hated it when they did that to my daughter, but you are pretty much forced to go along with it if you can’t afford a priviate school.
Since when did cheating become so acceptable that it is actually promoted and required by the teacher??
whoa whoa? why do Democratic Socialists get the blame?
it aint our fault the country is down the toilet now.
if i remember correctly a neo-conservative is running the show… :rolleyes:
Yeah, basic calculator is a must in my old Jr HS and HS. We stopped using paper after elementary.
I went to Catholic school up till 9th Grade. I was never in any special class in Catholic school. However, H.S. public school I was put in Honors class. I was being taught stuff in 9th grade I already learned in 8th grade.
Just depends on the school system on what they view as “advanced” or “honors” class. I has nothing to do with race.
Hell, I do bond math for a living. Yield to maturity, convexity and modified and maucauley duration calculations as well as beta, standard deviation and calculating vega on options pricing. Yet I have hard time adding up things in my grocery cart or figuring out tax on my bar tab.
[QUOTE=BraveMonkey;763779]All liberalism is, is a movement towards tolerance and free-thinking. It’s a way of thinking that promotes the idea that people should live as they see fit (as long as it doesn’t harm other people) rather than living as I see fit. I would hope that teachers and professors would in fact instill the idea people should have open minds and broad perspectives, rather than trying to instill strict boundaries on what is and is not okay based on personal biases and/or religious dogma.[/QUOTE]
thats going in my signiature
edited a bit for space tho
Having traveled to the ‘enlightened’ Warsaw Pact & Soviet Union - before the ‘workers’ rose up and lynched thier oppressors - I can clearly say that Socialism is a disaster whereever applied. Socialism in our schools has been destroying our culture by replaceing a culture of independence with one of dependance - all while proclaiming how ‘free’ we are. Yet when someone like Boulder talks, I can hear his chains clanking.
www.ronpaul2008.com - this is what liberalism was in this country before the word got hijacked by socialists and pedophiles.
Fux,
Bangs head against wall…stay on context.
We are talking about the school system here and its history. Which btw is the total f@ck up of social democrats.
Enjoy.
I don’t under the concept of “Socialism” in the classroom. All I know is that liberals want equal treatment for all in the classroom. If its socialism to suggest that one group of students be treated as another group then so be it.
As far as teaching itself, liberals want strict academic standards. Lets leave the Pledge of alligence, creation theory and bible classes to others. While other schools are spending 15 minutes a day with moments of silence, pledges to George Bush and so on the students in my liberal school will be studying.
[QUOTE=BoulderDawg;763965]I don’t under the concept of “Socialism” in the classroom. All I know is that liberals want equal treatment for all in the classroom. If its socialism to suggest that one group of students be treated as another group then so be it.
As far as teaching itself, liberals want strict academic standards. Lets leave the Pledge of alligence, creation theory and bible classes to others. While other schools are spending 15 minutes a day with moments of silence, pledges to George Bush and so on the students in my liberal school will be studying.[/QUOTE]
pledges to george bush LOL
Problems with American schools have nothing to do with social liberalism and everything to do with budget issues and pressure to perform in standardized testing. Add in a little poverty and ethnic tension and you’ve got the formula for struggle.
Sorry to burst your bubble but you can’t point the finger at the democrats and blame them for squat when it comes to the quality education. If you don’t like an open approach to classroom interaction or creative and innovative presentation of required materials then you probably won’t understand why so many students struggle and you will fail to understand why “no child left behind” leaves a lot of children behind and manages to frustrate and confound the teachers who are burdened by it.
If you think it’s wrong to teach tolerance for hom0sexuality, or that evolution is a viable theory of biological change and variety, or that the minutia of human sexual behavior is appropriate material for a public education, that is your right to think so. But the teachers who think differently are the ones that are broadening minds instead of shutting them down. Neither “liberal” teachers nor democrats keep you from taking your kids to church nor helping them to understand what beliefs and values are important to you. A public education cannot and should not cater the the personal bias of any parent or group of parents, no matter how important they think they are.
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;763941]That is because they never learned math in the first place. They learned how to use a calculator.
I hated it when they did that to my daughter, but you are pretty much forced to go along with it if you can’t afford a priviate school.
Since when did cheating become so acceptable that it is actually promoted and required by the teacher??[/QUOTE]
Or teach them yourself… shesh, expecting a parent to involve themselves in thier child’s education???:rolleyes:
Funding
School districts who get money misuse it. The money goes into the hands of the admistrators, not the school it’s self. The admistractors spend the money on themselves first. When the money does get to the school, it’s spent on oympic style pools, etc. What they need is more classrooms and teachers to put in them. In order to attract more and better qualified teachers, they need to pay them more.
Look, my cousins in Germany come out of school able to read, write and speak three languages.
Thier schools are rigourous - taught in local lingua franca, not multiple languages (although multiple languages are taught) - and testing standards are high. Tough schools WORK.
The problem with American schools aren’t standardized tests, it is the lack of academic rigor and an anemic, lazy batch of educators whose union fights for things that hurt the students rather than helps them. Not to mention parasitic selfish parents who don’t care enough to get involved. (or teat-sucking welfare bums. My lord have I seen enough of that as a landlord.)
The left is not entirely wrong on keeping religion out of the schools - you go to the rural midWest and you meet crazy pentacostals who say “we don’t care about math and science, we care about what Jesus thought about math and science.”
Honestly, there is nothing wrong with a good secular education, although I don’t beleive that should prevent historic traditions such as Christmas or Halloween from being celebrated in schools.
Most educated folks probably agree with these statements - but are too busy fighting over minutiae to realize it. A little competition would be good to fix things up.
While I like the idea of school vouchers - the thought of Islamic schools spreading hate and ignorance, or for that matter fundamentalists spreading ignorance scares the p!ss out of me. But that does not mean the current, failed system gets my support either.