[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1156288]until the stupidity of the “their are no rules on the street” gets eliminated, there will always be and rightly so.
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I agree completely.
can’t we admire skill?
Thats why i posted it. but i knew that ray pina would start with the same old sh1t thats found on virtually every thread about kung fu.
anyway, one misstep and it would be all over. that old guy had bawls of steel the way he jumped up and down and performing his shaolin stuff from end to end without a visual sign of fear. his sense of balance is awesome. i would never in my life try something like that.
[QUOTE=Lucas;1156289]I agree completely.[/QUOTE]
Thank you.
I am the first to say to Ray, Holy crap dude, old freaking news !
BUT I can’t stand that every time he says what he says the standard reply is : That is sport, kung fu is fir the street !
What a load of **** pubes !
Seriously.
When was the last time that anyone faced a highly trained, disciplined and motivated fighter on the street? a guy that KNOWS how to fight and CAN fight?
I can tell you when, never.
In all the years I bounced and served I NEVER once faced “in the street” a guy with half the talent as the likes that I faced in the ring.
And those goes for 99% of every bouncer or LEO you can find that has done BOTH “real” and “sport” fighting.
Here is the truth of the matter:
Everyone KNOWS that the street has no rules, so it is NOT a factor since bOTH fighter can do what they want.
Here is the other truth:
You will never hear a guy that has competed and fought for “real” use these words:
" but in the street there are no rules and you can kick the groin and poke the eyes".
In the street people get shot and stabbed and beaten and attacked by drunks and druggies and gangs and guess what?
TCMA AND sport arts do NOT train against NONE of that so they BOTH as “useless”.
****ing period !
:mad:
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1156288]
My point is that until the stupidity of the “their are no rules on the street” gets eliminated.[/QUOTE]
While I don’t subscribe to this particular conceit myself, I think there is some truth to it.
Everyone on both sides argues these things as if they are always clean cut black and white. All of column A but none of column B or vice versa which is just needlessly inflexible and oversimplified.
Training for competition and training for self defense are complimentary. Competition should just be seen as a form of practice for self defense. However the methods have to be adjusted to some degree to account for the variability of real world situations.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1156291]anyway, one misstep and it would be all over. that old guy had bawls of steel the way he jumped up and down and performing his shaolin stuff from end to end without a visual sign of fear. his sense of balance is awesome. i would never in my life try something like that.[/QUOTE]
I thought you did do that one time and lost. 
:D:D:D
In the street people get shot and stabbed and beaten and attacked by drunks and druggies and gangs and guess what?
TCMA AND sport arts do NOT train against NONE of that so they BOTH as “useless”.
****ing period !
now who’s got the SANDY CANDY hahahahahahaha 
[QUOTE=wenshu;1156297]While I don’t subscribe to this particular conceit myself, I think there is some truth to it.
Everyone on both sides argues these things as if they are always clean cut black and white. All of column A but none of column B or vice versa which is just needlessly inflexible and oversimplified.
Training for competition and training for self defense are complimentary. Competition should just be seen as a form of practice for self defense. However the methods have to be adjusted to some degree to account for the variability of real world situations.[/QUOTE]
After over 20 years of sport AND “real” fighting, IMHO, there is very little do it at all.
The only things I have faced outside the ring that I never faced in it were:
Drunks and coke heads ( although I did fight a coke head in an Vale tudo match).
Sucker punches, broken bottle and glasses, knives, machete ( yep) and high heels ( yep) and getting shot at.
And guess what?
Never trained to deal with that stuff in ANY TMA I have ever studied.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1156302]now who’s got the SANDY CANDY hahahahahahaha :D[/QUOTE]
BWWAHH !!
Frank knows the candy !
yeesh, except that more than half the time it is the hyperbole of all the rays out there that construct the kung fu guy who thinks street is different etc etc.
Typical of the nut rider to show up and say:
“Kung fu is always going on about how it’s for the street and that …”
But, show me the propensity of threads started by Kung Fu guys who are saying “well I train for the eye poking reality of the street”…
yeah, NOBODY touts that line and I will poke the eyes of the next one who does.
Every single practitioner I know who actually practices understands what Kung Fu is, what boxing is, what kickboxing is and so on and gives value to all of it and sees something of interest in all of it. To the last.
1st year kids? maybe not, but how is that different from a guy with 3 months on a mat coming into a kung fu forum and pooping all over the advice of a kung fu sifu who has been at it for 20 or 30 years?
Not acceptable.
we get it.
that some people are too frigging stupid to understand that we get it isn’t my fault and I’ll call them on their stupid posturing and strawman arguments as much as I can.
Because F**K you posers. That’s why.
Drunks and coke heads ( although I did fight a coke head in an Vale tudo match).
Sucker punches, broken bottle and glasses, knives, machete ( yep) and high heels ( yep) and getting shot at.
This is the environment i grew up in and still apart of and its what we typically train for.
true story i’ve told before. One of my junior classmates was hanging out in front of the cow palace at midnight. he was talking to this girl when suddenly her boyfriend appeared and the confrontation began…my jr classmate was drinking that night. her boyfriend suddenly left them standing there. so they resumed talking when out of the corner of my jr classmates eye he saw something swinging for his head and he instinctually went to block it. turned out it was a machete swinging for his head and his block absorbed the strike. unfortunately the machete struck between the middle and ring fingers splitting his hand wide open. He thanked my sifu later for the type of training we did because he would have been killed by the machete.
afterwards we knicknamed him LEFTY because it was his left hand that was split.
all im saying is i live in such an area and those are some of the same things we have to worry about here in SF.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1156303]After over 20 years of sport AND “real” fighting, IMHO, there is very little do it at all.
The only things I have faced outside the ring that I never faced in it were:
Drunks and coke heads ( although I did fight a coke head in an Vale tudo match).
Sucker punches, broken bottle and glasses, knives, machete ( yep) and high heels ( yep) and getting shot at.
And guess what?
Never trained to deal with that stuff in ANY TMA I have ever studied.[/QUOTE]
I was referring to techniques not the environmental factors. For instance learning Shuai Jiao throws without the jacket.
I was referring to techniques not the environmental factors. For instance learning Shuai Jiao throws without the jacket.
street fighters have been hip to that since young kids. we learned alot on the streets which included body slams and sprawling. before i knew it had a name i was pretty good with the guillotine. jus sayin :rolleyes:
I was just wondering why the title of the thread has “a MMA fighter would fall the fak off!!!”?
Surely that entices an argument? That’s the only reason I clicked on this thread
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1156318]street fighters have been hip to that since young kids. we learned alot on the streets which included body slams and sprawling. before i knew it had a name i was pretty good with the guillotine. jus sayin :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I always look for a plate glass window. Preferably an old one, but max double glazed. Triple glazed is difficult to ram a guy through it.
p.s Chadderz, it is titled in such a way because Frank is antagonistic towards people who make fun of the fu. And, he’s antagonistic.
Did I mention that Frank will occasionally antagonize others?
I was just wondering why the title of the thread has “a MMA fighter would fall the fak off!!!”?
Surely that entices an argument? That’s the only reason I clicked on this thread
It was intended to give MMA people here a little friendly nudge because MMA moves like brutas…while KONG FOO is so fluid and smooth moving.
but i posted it really to say WHOA WTF? it was about fearlessness of possibly making one wrong step and falling to his death and to compliment his balance.
no fo realz…fesheezy.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1156303]The only things I have faced outside the ring that I never faced in it were:
Drunks and coke heads ( although I did fight a coke head in an Vale tudo match).
Sucker punches, broken bottle and glasses, knives, machete ( yep) and high heels ( yep) and getting shot at.
And guess what?
Never trained to deal with that stuff in ANY TMA I have ever studied.[/QUOTE]
I generally like your posts but you’re painting the rest of us with your own background brush and assume none of us have trained or experienced things you haven’t.
Seriously, you never did any type of knife attack training (good or bad) in a TMA class? I have. Probable others here have as well.
Do you really think nobody addresses any of that stuff when they teach? I seem to continually be the odd man out if what you say goes for everyone else on the forum.
My very first Kenpo school we trained street situations, clubs, knives, etc. We even had to train in street clothes because that’s what we would be wearing when a fight goes down, no surprises you know?
Did I mention that Frank will occasionally antagonize others?
But hey! I do it wearing underoos. unlike SOMMMME people i know :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Yao Sing;1156322]
My very first Kenpo school we trained street situations, clubs, knives, etc. We even had to train in street clothes because that’s what we would be wearing when a fight goes down, no surprises you know?[/QUOTE]
When you say kempo I immediately imagine compliant drills.
So basically a guy stands there with his arm out in front of him except this time he’s holding a rubber knife while someone performs a dozen flashy moves to disarm him?
at least a dozen! + 6 or 7 superfluous moves to finish off the sequence!
we did a lot of this, but not really the compliant stuff, just dull aluminums, wooden blades and my personal favourite, marker pens!
the compliance stuff should happen in the demonstration, then free style it.
also, NO frankenstein stabbing.
[QUOTE=wenshu;1156329]When you say kempo I immediately imagine compliant drills.
So basically a guy stands there with his arm out in front of him except this time he’s holding a rubber knife while someone performs a dozen flashy moves to disarm him?[/QUOTE]
Yep, you got it exactly. First part of the “exercise” is getting your partner to attack EXACTLY like you tell him to do and that takes time. Before long you have the “routine” down perfect until you have to do it with the next guy. Usually we only get through 1 or 2 guys each class.
DUH!!!
Why does everyone make such lame assumptions all the time?
Funny, but this is the same school that an ex-marine Golden Gloves Boxer told the instructor that even though I was a higher rank he could easily beat me in a real fight (I was a young, skinny, long-hair hippy back then). The instructor told him he would match us up for sparring and he could go full out. I blocked everything he threw but I noticed he was swinging pretty hard so I dropped him with a well placed kick to the solar plexus. Afterwards I found out about the deal the instructor made with him. I didn’t even know it was for real.
This same instructor threatened to pull a students rank if he didn’t hit me when drilling a technique. Even though he couldn’t he kept his rank. The instructor only did that to make sure he was really trying.
So no, not exactly compliant practice. BTW, that was back around 1974 so maybe Im stuck in the past with my training beliefs.