I was more curious about any other references to Shantung Praying Mantis outside the Wah Lum sphere of influence.
Iron Door Bolt
Just in case some of you missed this post on Wah Lum’s older forms.
Here are the original 12 forms of Lee Kwan Shan.
The Cantonese as it was given to me by an elder of MC Chan, the Mandarin is my addition.
1.bung bo -beng bu AKA big mantis
2.lan jeet -lan jie
3.baht zhao -ba zhou
4.tam toy -tan tuei
5.lin wahn jurng -lien huan zhang? (continuous palms)
6.teet bay sow -tieh men suan- iron door bolt AKA Little Mantis
7.dai fan che -da fan che
8.yat lo lin wahn tam toy - yi lu lien huan tan tuei- first route continuous tan tuei
9.yee lo lin wahn tam toy - second route continuous tan tuei
10.saam lo lin wahn tam toy- third route continuous tan tuei
11.yau ling kuen
12.yin ji chuen lum
Number six on the list is known by most as Little Mantis, but that is just a nickname. The true name of the form is Iron Door Bolt.
I have always wondered if this is a link from Wah Lum’s Iron Door Bolt to an older generation of Mantis.
I have an article on this subject here Iron Door Bolt which talks about where the name and technique Iron Door Bolt come from in my own research.
The difference being that I have only found Iron Door Bolt as a technique, while in Wah Lum it is clearly a form. But, could that be a form named after a technique?
In the way that “White Ape Steals the Peach” was a technique, but it is also a form?
Kevin,
It is interesting that Mei Hua Lu is not a part of that list.
[QUOTE=Tainan Mantis;1150151]Just in case some of you missed this post on Wah Lum’s older forms.
Here are the original 12 forms of Lee Kwan Shan.
The Cantonese as it was given to me by an elder of MC Chan, the Mandarin is my addition.
1.bung bo -beng bu AKA big mantis
2.lan jeet -lan jie
3.baht zhao -ba zhou
4.tam toy -tan tuei
5.lin wahn jurng -lien huan zhang? (continuous palms)
6.teet bay sow -tieh men suan- iron door bolt AKA Little Mantis
7.dai fan che -da fan che
8.yat lo lin wahn tam toy - yi lu lien huan tan tuei- first route continuous tan tuei
9.yee lo lin wahn tam toy - second route continuous tan tuei
10.saam lo lin wahn tam toy- third route continuous tan tuei
11.yau ling kuen
12.yin ji chuen lum[/QUOTE]
How can this be accurate when it excludes the Zhai Yao series of forms taught to Li Kunshan by his master Jiang Hua Long? Did Li Kunshan change Mantis that much?
mooying
they are 2 different masters with the same name.
And since he spent time hiding out after killing some notorious bandits that might not be his real name. There was some evidence of him teaching in Vietnam I believe but what really is known of the man before his teaching and escort adventures. They seemed to change their names quite a bit in those days.
Lee Kwan Shan - the early years. 
[QUOTE=18elders;1150988]they are 2 different masters with the same name.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the correction! 