Anyone know how long Chan wan ching trained with Lee Kwan Shan?
Hi 18elders –
I just checked some of the Wah Lum info I have and couldn’t find any exact dates for you. However Chan Wan Ching was the senior student of Lee Kwan Shan and was responsible for teaching Master Chan, so he must have been a student for several years before that.
I’ll ask the next time I’m at the temple – should be Wednesday.
Sams
Umm … yeahhhhhh … that’s grrrreat … – Lumbergh
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Thanks SaMantis
Hey 18 elders not to make any trouble but shouldn’t you already know the answer to that?
By the way how’s the training coming along?Haven’t talked to you in a while.Peace. 
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northernmantis
Hey Northernmantis,
nope don’t know the answer, how about you?
Training is going well, just finishing up broadsword vs. spear and am learning xiao hu yan(little tiger swallow) form.
Hi 18elders …
I’m sorry … I didn’t get to class today (my work schedule keeps flip-flopping) so I haven’t had a chance to find out for you. However I will be there on Friday. Just to let you know I haven’t forgotten. .
Samt
Umm … yeahhhhhh … that’s grrrreat … – Lumbergh
Nope don’t know either. 
Good luck on broadswrod vs spear.I love two man weapons forms.It forces you to really block or you get hit.I see that you have trained in various mantis styles in the past.Do you see a dignificant diference in weapons training?I have a friend that does 7* mantis and it’s way cool(the footwork).
“Always be ready”
“right, that’s it!you’ve insulted me, and you’ve insulted the shaolin temple!”-Fish of Furry
Hi, 18elders – I finally got some sort of answer for you; sorry it took so long!
I talked to Sifu Tu at the temple this morning and even he didn’t know how long Chan Wan Ching studied with Lee Kwan Shan. But he said it must have been several years, at l east 10 years, because Chan Wan Ching was several years older than Master Chan when Master Chan came to the school (he was 6 years old when he started – most of his training was under Chan Wan Ching because Lee Kwan Shan died in 1948).
So, there’s a sort-of answer – looks like very few people know!
Sam
Umm … yeahhhhhh … that’s grrrreat … – Lumbergh
Speaking of Wah Lum… how much mok gar is integrated into this system?
Aiight who stole my nick?
mok gar in wah lum
i know for sure that the butterfly knife form is mok gar butt other than that i am not sure. many of the forms in wah lum were not originaly in the wah lum system , but were integrated by lee kwan shan in his travels through china. wich is why i love wah lum so much, it has northern and southern kung fu in it wich makes usefull to nearly everybody.
Lost Disciple- Mok gar
Well from what i understand , Chan poi’s family style was Mok gar, he learned from alot of his relatives.
He only trained with Lee Kwan Shan for 2 year when he was 6 years old until 8 years old and that is when Lee Kwan Shan died.
Then he learned from Chan wan ching but nobody can give me a good answer on how long chan wan ching trained with Shan.
I don’t think he trained with him too long either.
From what i have heard, Chan wan ching made up wah lum forms 1-6, and wah lum is very influenced by choy lay fut. I think that nobody really learned Lee kwan shan’s mantis knowledge before he died and that is why wah lum has so much southern influence because that is what Chan poi knew. The stance work is more southern and missing some mantis stances.
The stick forms are also more southern influence than northern as well as many of the other weapons.
ABSOLUTELY CLOUDHANDS!
I agree 100% w/ you Cloudhands, the balance of northern and southern influnces in Wah Lum is what makes it so unique and complete! When I first began looking for a kung fu school, it was exactly that balance that I was in search of (among other things, of course). I am very fortunate to have found Wah Lum…being a student here has taught me more than I can even consider putting into words here.
Vixie
He only trained with Lee Kwan Shan for 2 year when he was 6 years old until 8 years old and that is when Lee Kwan Shan died.
So, Chan Pui is only turning 62 years old. I thought he was older.
Robin
Chan Wan Ching
The head instructor at Wah Lum Canton branch was Wong K. Wing Sifu. His younger kung fu brother was Chan Wan Ching.
Chan left for HK at an early age and so did not finish his WLPM studies there. In HK he studied under Leung Sifu the most senior at HK branch.
Chan Wan Ching also learned several other kung fu systems in HK and was reputed to be very good. His famous student Chan Poi learned other styles from Chan Wan Ching and so we see a varied WLPM curriculum.
Lee Kwan Shan’s Wah Lum
Lee Kwan Shan studied the Muslim Tan Tui style. So when he taught WLPM it included the famous 10 sets of that style.
The students were also taught the well known form gong li chuen.
The WLPM style consists of 12 forms. The most important 3 being Wang Lang’s creations; Beng bu, lan jie and 8 elbows.
tainan
wahlum forms-
wah lum has 18 elbows but it is to me a southern form, not mantis
As far as lan jie, never seen it in wah lum
where are the famous 10 sets of the tam tui?
John has taught me, but never saw them in wah lum
So basically WLPM is really more of a Southern System than Northern?
Wah Lum Tam Tui Northern Praying Mantis
This is the full name of the system that Master Chan was strong enough and kind enough to bring to the US and share with literally hundreds upon hundreds of people at a time when it was frowned upon for Chinese to teach Americans kung fu. No matter what happens in the future, I would not be where I am in my studies if it were not for the people who have passed the art of Wah Lum on to me…and, again, I am so very grateful.
Vixie
Tan Tui
The sets that my stundent (That was with Sifu Chan Poi in the early 80s) look like northern sets to me. Tam Tui Or Tan Tui that he did look closce to the one I teach (10 Line Set)!