A new article about the 7 Star style is on line now at this location:
Seven Star Mantis: Introduction and Overview
The meat of the site is contained in the sections ‘Tang Lang Quan’ and ‘Shanghai’. This makes up the larger part of the site content.
Feel free to post feedback in this thread.
Redfish.
About time
Kai (oops I mean Redfish)
With all sincerity and honesty, thank you for finally posting something that is beneficial to the community. I appreciate it. I hope this is a new beginning!
Cheers
Jake 
Coming from a peaceful weekend with five different teachers from different lineages full of sharing and full of openess, I am also full of hope that this is a honest new approach.
The text is well written and got a lot of information. I cannot but compliment that.
If we follow this link:
we can see 6 serious pieces relating to Tanglang on the site.
They are:
True Concepts of Luo Guangyu’s Seven Star Praying Mantis Kung Fu.
Luo Guangyu - Mantis Footwork.
Repositioning Standards in Traditional Mantis.
In Memory of our Late Grandmaster Lin Boyan.
Luo Guangyu Bengbu Quan Photoset.
Seven Star Praying Mantis - Introduction and Overview.
The articles, the dedication and the photoset are six of many articles published on our old sites. They were usually preceeded by posts and discussions on KFO and across E-mail and real life meetings. We feel these articles follow up on the many questions discussed in the past and also answer our ‘most frequently asked questions’.
These articles and the posts that led to them have been steadily released over the past year then developed. The Luo Guangyu complete photo set was previously unseen on the major public forums and sites.
The two replies above from Bailung and Threeharmonies are characteristically lacking in thought and completely free of comment on the article/question itself. We have been producing this kind of article and discussion on a steady basis and there is nothing new about it.
Lofty and arrogant comments complaining about arrogance and loftiness carry no weight, are unrelated to the topics and are getting boring.
The ‘statements’ on our site are not thoughtless negativity. They are what they say they are: ‘statements’ - stating a position on a real situation, or on a comment made first about us. The reasons and viewpoints are clearly outlined inside the statements themselves. The appearance of statements on our site are unrelated to the usual work in development found in the Tang Lang section.
When the usual suspects even sink to open h0mophobic name-calling, you do have to think. However, we write these peices because we are deeply involved in Mantis Boxing and will always continue to do so.
Finally. While we are trying to regain some perspective, we must re-state that training hard is the way to understanding. Any article or statement comes after that.
Equal time/PR
Since you are drawing hits from this forum ( ref the post : http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36103 ) , might as well give them the other links well & give the “objects” of the statements equal PR;
“Statements”- http://tanglang.lifehome-china.com/statement_2.html
Thanks for the other link btw. Decent info there.
~BTL
BTL good lookin out posting both sides of the story…
but I must warn you, shut the thread down before I respond. I can only contain myself… for.. so … long… Must… respond.. with …smarrrt asssss..commentttt… 
BTL:
The statements are referred to in the post, but not linked, that’s true. So thanks for the link. Any new readers who might have missed it can catch up fine.
Shirkers: Don’t worry. You’re still going strong. You followed up your “hm” posts with an excellent baiting of Yushan’s spelling of impressed " 'e’mpressed" …I bet he loved it. Did he read your disclaimer?
Is anyone who is going to post in this thread going to include some comment on the article contents?
You’d think they would know better than to do that by now,… LOL!
LOL man I love this stuff.. I might actually have to work if I didn’t have you to banter with. Just so you know, this stuff doesn’t bother me in the least and I find it entertaining.
Yushan and I are cool, just a missunderstanding. I guess when you meet someone face to face these things have a tendancy to smooth out a lot easier.
Here’s an honest question about the new article on the site. I know there have been a lot of talk about standards and teaching lately. Is the article posted on the chin woo site the traditional standard passed on by LGY? Was this article placed to show the world what the standards should be as passed on by the true successor of TLQ LGY lineage? Now is there a difference in hong kong TLQ and other branches of 7*TLQ? Would their introduction look any different, other then lineage of coarse? If so how would it look different.
thanks in advance for your response.
mark
Ill bite
I think it was a great overview. Very informative and breaks things down very well. It took alot of time and experience.
Here is a question for who ever posted it. I see you teach all of the 12 word 8 hard, 12 soft…etc…etc. Is there any way that you could give any type of description of the 7 long and 8 short? If you have read my posts you will see that I am interested in these theories. You could reply by email if you prefer, but I am sure that there are others on this forum who do not know them and would like some info on them. Whatever you prefer.
Thanks
Mantid1
I’m not Master Kai Uwe Pel or any sort of teacher in our group. So I’m afraid I can’t give you a more detailed breakdown of the short and long. I take it that you teach that in your school - and that you are 7-star too?
Shirkers: The difference between Hong Kong mantis and other 7 * - that’s a very interesting topic. I mean this next sentence as a statement of fact and not as a veiled attack - the terms Hong Kong Mantis and Mainland Mantis were coined by Steve Cottrell I don’t really go along with those distinctions myself.
There is a fairly large difference between Mainland China 7* today and everyone else in the world. As far as I can see … students of Chinese teachers who moved abroad in the previous generation such as Master Brendan Lai or Master Chu Leun don’t look like modern Mainland 7* … and you never see 60-40 stances or mile wide circle-entering stances in any pre-war photos (that I’ve seen). Our own Lineage has Grandmaster Lin Boyan - he didn’t even go via Hong Kong all his training was on the mainland.
It fairly straightforward to make the call that it’s the mainland groups that have made the major changes in the post 1949 era. Look at LGY’s Beng Bu photo set - he was from Yantai and taught by Fan Xu Dong … the difference between modern day Yantai club’s Beng Bu and his is pretty big. It’s a bit cheeky to say “he changed it”. So I’ll go with a distinction between the main clubs in the mainland today and the rest of the world - inlcuding Hong Kong. (clubs whose teacher comes from the modern mainland scene are included in that group it goes with out saying )
I’m not talking about which is better or worse. Only that the modern mainland clubs tell people that their new style is the original. Then when faced with evidence such as Luo Guang Yu’s photos or all the next generations in the USA they say "oh, LGY changed it or “Americans have low skills”. The next thing is to handwrite some ‘evidence’ themselves. We had one visitor show his ‘document’ from his Qingdao based teacher and tell how X teacher had trained with X master but the birth dates on the ‘document’ proving this showed that one had died before the other was born 
This is just one example and I’m skeptical about this generally.
Of course, making up lineages and questionable stories about backgrounds is nearly an art-form in “the west” - I’ve trained with Temple Kung Fu
I see MQ is running a thread about comments made by Sun Deyao and American standards. Have you seen his famous VCDs? There is a Chinese site that has all of them online broken into smaller sections. I’ll try and get the link posted when we dig it up again. It clearly shows the style you see in China today and should put his comments into a clearer perspective. I will also confirm 100% that it’s him in the VCDs before posted the link. I remember watching Beng Bu, Duo Gang and some Qin Na Apps.
By the way, I think who ever is a good mantis boxer is whoever trained hard for a long time. They can be from Modern Mainland Clubs or from Jackson City TN.
Also, In light of earlier posts on this thread I must state clearly again that I am not Master Kai Uwe Pel.
Thanks all
Redfish.
Redfish
No, I dont teach them because I dont know what they are. That is why I asked.
No I do not teach 7*. Although I do have some nice 7* forms that I enjoy practicing.
Maybe your teacher could help me with the info?
If you’re actually interested, here’s a link to someone in my KF family who explains it all on his website.
Click on the ‘Theory and Technique’ link at the top of the page.
thanks
Well I know that in defense of changing of postures, things change from teacher to student for what ever reason. Chen luen was a fighter so his stances were somewhat higher than others. But also, these two that you brought up lai and cheng were students of WHF who had a different style then LGY. So I can see where there would be somewhat of a change even though they were LGY lineage. Whether right or wrong, I personally feel it’s up to the individual and the situation and what they are doing with it to justify stance height and posture. You won’t see me in a super low hill climbing stance because frankly I’ve never had to apply it in that fashion… ever. But that is off topic. I know my teacher just sticks to WHF and his postures because that’s the easiest to trace due to his many publications and his students families being readily available in the states.
I too have heard of these supposed masters or whatever with fraudulant paper work. That is why I say the proof is in the pudding. Any one can “say” they are the real deal or have someone say they are the real deal for them. Any one can have documents falsified, but in the end you have to show your stuff. Some hide and never show their stuff claiming certain reasons why they can’t show their stuff. That is why I sound harsh at times about seeing someone move for myself before I’ll give them props… I’m in no way saying I’m at the same quality level of good mantis practitioners. But I know what I want to train and model myself after and a lot of these cats are really bad.
As for the VCD’s no I’ve only seen vhs videos of mainland guys. As well as stuff online. That would be great if you could dig stuff up to see, because I love to look at other peoples stuff.
thanks for your reply.
Reggie
Thanks for the link.
It is full of great info. Except that it does not describe the 7 long and 8 short. That is what I am looking for at this time.
I did get some new info from his site. Very informative.
Thanks
http://tanglang.lifehome-china.com/tanglang4.html
Skillful execution requires a firmly rooted base, explosive legs, a powerful [SIZE=6]waste[/SIZE] and core body, proper mechanical alignment, proper timing/rhythm, and nothing less than 100% conviction to finish off the attacker.
In total there are 36 throwing principles.
Can anyone elaborate on this?
Jake
I read “True Concepts of Luo Guang Yu’s Seven Star Praying Mantis Kung Fu” on the website and I enjoyed the article. I particularly liked the information regarding the practical differences of li, jing, and qi. The definitions were not metaphorical. They are understable concepts. As an exercise physiologist, I can apply these defintions with modern anatomy and physiology concepts and theories. It is my intention to take many mantis concepts and define them to modern science theories in physics, physiology and applied kinesiology.
Thanks,
Robin
Hey you guys pitch a ***** when no one responds to your article, and then I ask a question about the throwing methods and none of you guys pipe up!? Anymore info on this?
Jake