That original video was not no rules… in every case the action was stopped as soon as someone went down. And guys were going down from initial points of contact.
Nice to see more than point sparring, but my students spar more heavily than that in class every week… they nor I are ready for the UFC.
Better than most Kung Fu video clips, but still nothing that great. Lot of guys with weight back and uncommitted getting taken out by one committed move and then stopped.
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;714744]Teh way I see it, and who knows, I could be wrong 
but CMA people who were interested in fighting were interested in being better. They weren’t interested in an absurd concept like “my style is best”… [/QUOTE]
Sorry, not buying that one.
All you have to do is look at this thread and others like it to see all the CMA guys who so adamantly defend the “my style is best” concept.
CMA guys are just as likely as anyone else to buy into this concept. They are just less likely to put those thoughts into actions.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;714742] I really think it is Kung-Fu’s image rather than the actual art itself. [/QUOTE]
You can’t separate the image, the students and the art itself. They are all interweaved.
MMA and BJJ attract aggressive and competitive individuals, which makes the arts more hard core and strengthens the systems as a whole.
Kung fu systems tend to attract a “softer” crowd, which have made the arts weaker and weaker to the point that even an aggressive, competitive athlete will be hard-pressed to reach his potential with them.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;714742]There are many schools that train hard, have hard contact,fight all the time, but for the most part, these are the more “underground” schools. [/QUOTE]
That may be true.
If so, those are not the schools I am critizing.
[QUOTE=Faruq;714756]I’ve heard about such underground schools (Bak Mei Pai at least) here in Chicago’s Chinatown, but they don’t allow the gwai lo to enter, learn or even watch. Though very effective, I don’t think their techniques would be allowed in Pride or UFC anyway. Who wants to leave a competition missing an eye or trachea? Broken knee or elbow anyone?[/QUOTE]
since you mentioned missing eyes, eye gouges were NOT illegal in early UFCs, although they were a foul. If your opponent couldn’t continue, you still advanced to the next round, but were fined. Only once that I know of was there a successful eye gouge, and that guy still went on the win his match, even though he really couldn’t see.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;714768]Sorry, not buying that one.
All you have to do is look at this thread and others like it to see all the CMA guys who so adamantly defend the “my style is best” concept.
CMA guys are just as likely as anyone else to buy into this concept. They are just less likely to put those thoughts into actions.[/QUOTE]
Knife fighter, you missed what I really said…
“CMA people who were interested in fighting were interested in being better”
IE not all CMA people, but rather the REAL fighting ones, those guys, were interested in being better, not the style concept
Ray, I didn’t know you were also a teacher. This is the first time I can remember you mentioning having students. That’s great, and your actual combat focus’ll be great for your students!
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;714765]That original video was not no rules… in every case the action was stopped as soon as someone went down. And guys were going down from initial points of contact.
Nice to see more than point sparring, but my students spar more heavily than that in class every week… they nor I are ready for the UFC.
Better than most Kung Fu video clips, but still nothing that great. Lot of guys with weight back and uncommitted getting taken out by one committed move and then stopped.[/QUOTE]
He’s mentioned it before… If I remember right, he has two of them.
http://z.5t.cn/show/video_2549.html
Some of these are quite good and on the street would have ended it right there and then!
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Knifighter sez,“That may be true.
If so, those are not the schools I am critizing.”
yeah, I wasn’t really posting at anyone in particular, and we seem to basically agree. I;m just venting.
"MMA and BJJ attract aggressive and competitive individuals, which makes the arts more hard core and strengthens the systems as a whole.
“Kung fu systems tend to attract a “softer” crowd, which have made the arts weaker and weaker to the point that even an aggressive, competitive athlete will be hard-pressed to reach his potential with them.”
I tend to agree, with one difference,
“Kung fu systems tend to attract a “softer” crowd, which have made the schools themselves, weaker and weaker to the point that even an aggressive, competitive athlete will be hard-pressed to reach his potential within them.”
There are schools out there doing it, but definately not enough to make a dent in the pile of horsesh!t that’s out there passing for TCMA.