Every so often I here some body mention that there system dates back to the 10 tigers. Who were the 10 tigers? What martial art systems did they train in?
who are the current 10 tigers of china?
Me, SevenStar, and a few Mongolian locals.
This site has nothing about the 10tigers but there names the only info they had was on Wong Fei-Hung which was said on the same site not to be a 10 tiger lol!!!
If any one has real info on there systems that they trained it would be great!!!
is it a joke are they fictional?
“Ten Tigers of Canton (Chinese: ) were a group of ten of the top Chinese martial arts masters in Guangdong (Canton) towards the end of the Qing Dynasty (1644–1912).”
Google the rest. Sheesh.
All the "Ten Tigers of Guangdong were Shaolin lay disciples. They did not studied in the Shaolin Monastery itself, but were directly connected to the southern Shaolin Monastery at Jiulian Mountain or at Quanzhow, having learnt from monks or lay disciples who in turn were from the monasteries before they were burnt.
Although they lived in the later part of the Qing Dynasty in Guangdong Province, they did not appear at the same time as a group. (A Hong Kong video series showing them at the same time and place, is fictitious.) They were about two or three generations after the Five Shaolin Ancestors. The Ten Tigers were Thit Kew Sam, Wong Yein Lam, Wong Khei Yin, Su Hak Fu, Su Hut Yee, Chow Thye, Tham Chai Wen, Wong Cheng Ho, Tit Chee Chan, and See Yu Leong.
Thit Kew Sam was the foremost of the Ten Guangdong Tigers. Thit Kew Sam, which literally means “Iron Bridge Three”, was his nickname because his arms were very powerful; his actual name was Leong Khuen. His internal force came mainly from his training of Thit Seen Khuen, or Iron Wire Set.
Wong Yein Lam was a master of Hap Ka (Family of Knights) Kungfu. Hap Ka Kungfu originated from Lama Kungfu of Tibet, but had been modified and taught by Shaolin monks or lay masters. Wong Yein Lam’s teacher was a Shaolin monk called Sheng Loong.
Wong Khei Yin was a disciple of Luk Ah Choy and the father of Wong Fei Hoong. His was well known for his “no-shadow kicks”.
Su Hak Fu was a master of the Black Tiger Style. He was good at the tiger-claw. “Hak Fu” actually means “Black Tiger”; it is uncertain whether it was his real name or nickname.
Su Hut Yee, which means Beggar Su, was originally rich but squandered away his money. He was a master of Hoong Ka Kungfu. He learned from Chan Fook, a monk from the southern Shaolin Monastery, and was probably the same Chan Fook who started my lineage from Uncle Righteousness. (Please see below.)
Chow Thye was well known for his staff, known as Tai Cho Chooi Wan Khun, or “Soul-Chasing Staff of the First Emperor”. He shot to fame when he defeated an international boxing champion from France.
Tham Chai Wen was known as “Three-Leg Tham” because of his three kicking techniques. They were tiger-tail kick, weeping-floor kick, and organ-seeking kick.
Wong Cheng Ho was famous for his Iron Head. He learned his kungfu in a Guangdong temple from a monk belonging to the Shaolin tradition.
Tit Chee Chan means “Iron Finger Chan”; his real name was unknown. Naturally he was expert at the Iron Finger Art.
See Yu Leong was known for the Red Sand Palm. This is an advanced Shaolin art using internal force which leaves a red mark on the skin of an opponent after being struck.
That was posted by sifu Wong Kiew Kit
jeff:)
Thank you so much I looked long and hard and couldn’t find the info you had:)
Wong Yan Lum, was not a master of Haap Ga, but of the Lama Pai style itself. It was later called ‘Haap Ga’, named after him and his heroic deeds. But more importantly,…
Sing Luhng, (Sing Luhng Lo Jeung) - Great Sage Venerable Monk, (by the way..most don’t realize that this was a title) was NOT a SHAOLIN MONK. The Lama Style is NOT Shaolin in Origin and it’s priniciples are definatly not Shaolin. Nor was the style taught at any Shaolin Temple.
Where did you get the info that the style was ‘modified and taught by Shaolin monks or lay master?’ This is not true in any shape or form.
The Tibetan style Lama Pai and it’s offspring styles, Bok Hok (White Crane) and Haap Ga, have no ties to shaolin styles or principles. There are very ‘closed-door’ and secretive in nature and the styles lineages since it’s arrival in China are very specific.
Just want to clear up some stuff for the record.
Oh, and by the way, ranked in fighting order, Wong Yan-Lum was the number one fighter in the Ten Tigers. You can also see Lama techniques in Fu Hok Seung Ying and other Hung sets. Most likely, WYL shared them with Wong Fei-Hung’s dad during their membership to the 10 tigers. In the Lama style, we have a five animal set that was supposed to have come from Hung Ga during that time as well.
Cheers.
Well, as i posted that was written by sifu Wong Kiew Kit. I didn’t say if it was correct or not, but it is pretty close otherwise.
Notice:Soo Hak Fu was not Hak Fu Mun’s creator real name, it was Soo Chi Er and he learned his Tiger Claw from Siu Tak. There were 17 other styles that went into his creating Blk Tiger, plus others he created afterward. It was also noted that Soo Hak Fu aquired many enemies over his lifetime, yet still maintained a very public lifestyle. Even opening a Hak Fu Mun school within Canton.
That’s not completely true!
Every style mentioned in the history of The Kwangtung Sup Fu has laid claim to that at one time. This edition mentions Tit Kew Sam, many point to him and Hung Kuen because most of the 10 Tigers had a Hung Kuen background.
They were never listed in a fighting order because there is no actual evidence they ever tested eachother. Plus they were not of the same generation as the story mentions. The only two known to have been actual friends and to have exchanged knowledge on a regular basis was, Wong Kei Yin and Soo Hak Fu. This is where Wong Fei Hung learned his Hak Fu Mun. Not saying they didn’t mingle with eachother because they did, but Wong Kei Yin and Soo Hak Fu were known good friends.
jeff:)
Jeff,
I didn’t read the end of your post until now. I see that the info was extracted from wong keiw kit.
As far as ranking order, I do have some info, from several sources which states thier order; for instance, Wong Fei-Hung’s father, was ranked in the middle, #5.
I am also under the impression that they were a close group and were all friends. Granted, some might have been friends before and/or remained good friends even after.
I would imagine they all shared some KF with each other. It’s obvious (if you know what you are looking at) that there is some Lama in Hung Ga today. Which came first? How do we know it wasn’t the other way around? I guess we never can know anything for sure, but; there are some moves that appear in Hung Ga, once or twice, that are fist seeds of the Lama style, they appear in 90% of all lama forms.
And like I said, we have a 5-animal form in Lama, that is very ‘non-lama’ in design. These are techniques said to be learned from Wong Fei-Hung’s father and possible others within the Ten Tigers.
As many of us know, sharing between teachers happend/happens frequently. However, it is not always advertised becuase people like to save face and make everyone think it’s all thier own design.
Based on the Lama I’ve seen so far, I’d say that paal choi just reeks of Lama as does gua choi and basically the whole combo in the middle of Fu Hok that goes:
one finger pointing to heaven(out to the side from a bow stance)–>paal choi–>paal choi—>gua choi with the lead and a chopping downward thing with the rear–>“uppercut”.
The other obvious place is the “water” section of Sup Yin.
Lots of overlap in the use of stances.
Yes, you are correct, those parts are definatly Lama (the Soy Kiu in Sahp Ying is Pak Yick Po)
The drunken steps follow by Jung Choih are also extremely common in Lama. The section where Hung people do Kahp, Pao and then Lahp, is Lama’s trademark combo, Kahp, Pao, Chuyhn. (It’s in almost ever form, half a dozen times.
I’m not saying either style is better. I love Hung Ga. I think it’s a great style. All styles borrow from each other,.. that’s how they evolve. Nothing wrong with it at all.
No style is the best, it’s the practitioner.
But it’s nice to know, that our styles intermingled with each other, and in one way or another, we are all related.
Cheers.
My only exposure to Lama is just clips off the internet.
Those were just some things that really jumped out at me in the Lama I have seen. They weren’t just reminiscent. They were like, “Holy cr@p! That looks exactly like thing we do in Hung Gar…”
Some of the Lama clips I have seen could have just as easily as been labeled Hung Gar and me with about 7 or 8 years of Hung Gar would not have been able to tell the difference. A couple of those, I am told, were even signature moves for Lum Sai Wing.
Go figure.
Is that something you could share, If not public maybe pm..? I would be very interested in seeing that.
I would tend to agree with everything you mentioned here, i’m not sure if you’ve ever seen Hak Fu Mun, but we also have Lama within our system. So i’m pretty sure there was some interaction among the Kwangtung Sup Fu.
jeff:)