Another reason for anonymity
Its kinda late in the thread, but I hadn’t paid it any attention…
In a masturbatory frenzy in my teenage years I punched the clown with a fist full o’Ben Gay. It was fine right up until the end (3 min or so 
) and then I began to receive mixed messages. :eek:
Took forever to wear off. 
:o
Zheng Gu Shui
This question is for the Herbalists out there.
Is this stuff, Zheng Gu Shui, the same as Dit Da Jow?
Thanks,
Steve
Zheng Gu Sui is not very strong.
Its a kind of liniment but its more a wash with lots of cinnamon and heating herbs to help rid swelling and help pain.
Its very weak compared to homemade dit da jow and i would not recommend it unless that is the only thing you have access to.
Zheng Gu Shui transliterates to “correct bone water” - it is a traditional bonesetter’s liniment. While not as strong as Dit Da Jow, it is effective for acute injuries to joints and bony areas. It stops pain effectively (like within moments after applying).
I wouldn’t be so quick to discount the Zheng Gu Shui…
It’s not as great for treating old injuries or deep bruises, etc. For that, you definitely would benefit from a proper jow.
peace
herb ox
[QUOTE=Dale Dugas;848961]Zheng Gu Sui is not very strong.
Its a kind of liniment but its more a wash with lots of cinnamon and heating herbs to help rid swelling and help pain.
Its very weak compared to homemade dit da jow and i would not recommend it unless that is the only thing you have access to.[/QUOTE]
Well you know that’s not all I have access to. I was interested in it because of the price. Although, I thought it was just a “watered down” jow.
Herb Ox, that’s a very interesting post. It seems as though you’re saying that it’s basically something to use on the night some soreness occurs?? This way it doesn’t turn into a bruise or injured joint.
Thanks for the replies,
Steve
It really boils down to personal preference. The ingredients include herbs to invigorate blood and promote healing of bone. It’s actually a cooling formula given the amount of camphor and menthol used. The king herbs, san qi and hu zhang are warm and cold, respectively. The Gui Zhi, which is spicy and warm is meant to harmonize the formula and open the collaterals of the meridians.
I tend to use ZGS right after a gnarly kick to the shin or if I bang my elbow or sprain my wrist… that kind of stuff… when it feels like my bone got bruised :rolleyes:
The cooling nature of the liniment takes away the hot feeling of these acute injuries and really does stop pain fast. Best part is, it’s fairly readily available and usually pretty inexpensive. Good criteria for the ‘people’s medicine’.
best regards
herb ox
[QUOTE=Steve Hamp;848892]Is this stuff, Zheng Gu Shui, the same as Dit Da Jow?[/QUOTE]My opinion, it really boils down to semantics. If a liniment is produced with alcohol, and it used to heal injury, then there is justification to call it “dit da jow”. To be honest, I dont think its too important what we call it…Some of the MMA gyms I sell to prefer to call the liniments bruise juice, and I kinda like that better! =)
[QUOTE=herb ox;849025]It really boils down to personal preference. The ingredients include herbs to invigorate blood and promote healing of bone. It’s actually a cooling formula given the amount of camphor and menthol used. The king herbs, san qi and hu zhang are warm and cold, respectively. The Gui Zhi, which is spicy and warm is meant to harmonize the formula and open the collaterals of the meridians.[/quote]My experience with Camphor is that its actually very warming. And while I hear many people say Camphor is cooling, a quick look in a number of Materia Medicas claim it to be “hot”, not just warm.
Gui Zhi, while important, is fairly mild in action.
Herb Ox, I tend to agree with you, there is a time and a place for everything, including ZGS. Its not a strong liniment by any stretch, but its not really meant to be–You would treat a headache with Morphine.
Isnt ZGS produced with isopropyl alcohol? That is not ok with me.
Zheng Gu Shui
I would tend to use it more for Damp-Cold Bi and for old bone bruises that are slow to heal.
Best,
Steve
Greetings,
When Zheng Gu Shui first came out, it was a very traditional concoction that had well over 20 different ingredients in it. It was so strong (and I mean STRONG) that people also used it for iron palm practice.
I used it to treat a wrist injury and it worked well.
I have noticed that when I comes to patent medicines, it is best to buy the first couple of batches. The product cheapens in quality soon therafter. Zheng Gu Shui is no where near to what it used to be.
mickey
I use ZGS usually just for sore muscles on day after type stuff, in a nice hot shower.
I stick to home made stuff for injuries.
The old bottles used to have warning lables saying,“Highly volitile, handle with care.”
I still have a scar from when I used it for cracked ribs. When I peeled a soaked bandage off my side, my skin came with it. Strong stuff. This is going back over 25 yrs ago. Now, it’s more of a hot linement.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;850990]The old bottles used to have warning lables saying,“Highly volitile, handle with care.”
I still have a scar from when I used it for cracked ribs. When I peeled a soaked bandage off my side, my skin came with it. Strong stuff. This is going back over 25 yrs ago. Now, it’s more of a hot linement.[/QUOTE]
I also remember glass bottles with stoppers instead of thin platic ones with crappy little plastic screw on caps…