[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1113561]Please explain how it trains pain tolerance when it is painless?[/QUOTE]
Horse stance is painless?
Christ, Jim’son. . .
Zhan Zhuang is nice to do if your knees are sore and you still want to train but don’t want twisting movements for a few days. Older you get the more you appreciate a softer more natural rhythm IMO.
I don’t really understand the point of the original poster. Of course it’s not “fight training”. But what about Mohammad Ali skipping rope before a fight? It’s not fight training, but in another way it is. Skipping rope is good for you. Meditation is good for you. Anything that’s good for you is good for you.
Besides either you trust your teacher or you don’t. If you trust your teacher, do what he or she says. If you don’t, go somewhere else.
standing post means standing on a wooden post
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1113554]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtUKTd2WKsc
I just don’t see to “stand on 2 feet in high stance” can give you much combat benefit at all.
I would rather to stand like this.
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That is a great one.
Also, chaotiandeng.
i dont like boxes
[QUOTE=wenshu;1113572]Horse stance is painless?
Christ, Jim’son. . .[/QUOTE]
Standing post isn’t horse stance, certainly not sei ping dai ma type of horse stance.
It’s upright in almost all instances and variations, and then someone wants to be different so they start doing stances for a long time such as you are saying, like horse stance or empty leg etc.
That’s not standing post, that’s halfway between getting good stances and too much time in them which is not very useful either.
The best way to work stances and positioning is to get the shape, set it, then start putting forces against it.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1113578]Standing post isn’t horse stance, certainly not sei ping dai ma type of horse stance.
It’s upright in almost all instances and variations[/QUOTE]
high post is for weak and frail people, medium post is for beginners, and low post is for strong people.
the lower the post is the faster you gain qi.
[QUOTE=bawang;1113579]high post is for weak and frail people, medium post is for beginners, and low post is for strong people.
the lower the post is the faster you gain qi.[/QUOTE]
if you tell your teacher that standing high is too easy you just get to go lower…and if thats too easy, you just get to add more weight. lesson: never tell your teacher anything is easy.
advanced stance training involves using weights. standing on the wooden posts which are only 2/3 the size of your feet engages your cores for stability.
[QUOTE=bawang;1113581]advanced stance training involves using weights. standing on the wooden posts which are only 2/3 the size of your feet engages your cores for stability.[/QUOTE]
you can use free standing blocks too. you control not to send them falling. and you have to jump up onto them without knocking them down before you can start.
[QUOTE=rett;1113573] Anything that’s good for you is good for you.[/QUOTE]
There are a lot of things that are good for our body. the question is do we have time to train everything? What’s the most effective way to spend our training time? If we repeat groin kick, face punch drill for 2 hours (or just hip throw drill), even in slow motion, will it be better than just “stand there like an idiot”?
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1113585]. the question is do we have time to train everything? [/QUOTE]
yes. you have plenty of time. if you just try it and stand in a low horse stance with weight vest, or a barbell you will not last 5 minutes. instead of just giving baseless opinion give it a try. i tried what you said, it was good balance training. why dont you try what i said? what are you afraid of?
I think you guys are mixing up stance training regimen with qigong regimen.
they’re different things.
[QUOTE=bawang;1113587]yes. you have plenty of time. if you just try it and stand in a low horse stance with weight vest, or a barbell you will not last 5 minutes. instead of just giving baseless opinion give it a try. i tried what you said, it was good balance training. why dont you try what i said? what are you afraid of?[/QUOTE]
why not do plyometrics instead?
static stance training has very little return on investment.
I’ve tried both of what you guys are doing and each is limited in what it brings to fighting skill.
nope. they are one and the same. in northern kung fu horse stance training involves abdominal breathing and visualization of qi.
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I’ve tried both of what you guys are doing and each is limited in what it brings to fighting skill.[/QUOTE]
traing “gongs” take time. slapping bags for one day isnt gonna give you iron palm.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1113589]why not do plyometrics instead?
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stance itraining, static and moving, is for stability , correct structure and endurance. squats is for training strength.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1113588]I think you guys are mixing up stance training regimen with qigong regimen.
they’re different things.[/QUOTE]
No Jamie Davidson
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1113585]There are a lot of things that are good for our body. the question is do we have time to train everything? What’s the most effective way to spend our training time? If we repeat groin kick, face punch drill for 2 hours (or just hip throw drill), even in slow motion, will it be better than just “stand there like an idiot”?[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with you about time constraints. I think the best mix of training will change over the course of your life and maybe even from one day to the next. Take care of your body and mind and strive to find a balance. Sometimes standing still can be the right balance.
There’s a famous dressage rider from Finland. Every time she rides, even with super professional horses, she goes through the most basic things first. Start, stop, stand, walk, turn left, turn right. Many riders skip that stuff, feel it’s too simple and they’re being “like an idiot”. But Kyra’s one of the absolute best and she recommends basics basics basics. I feel like I always need to keep checking in with basics from time to time, like returning to stances.
[QUOTE=bawang;1113590]nope. they are one and the same. in northern kung fu horse stance training involves abdominal breathing and visualization of qi. horse stance on a post is “zhan zhuang”. horse stance on the ground is “di peng”.[/QUOTE]
All of it amounts to nothing though apparently. It doesn’t seem to be putting out strong armies, killer fighters, competitive winners and seems to rather promote a lot of hippies arguing the merits of fighting based off of just standing there thinking about the cosmos?
See, this is the stuff of Kung Fu that I have no time for. Just a bunch of crap that can’t be and never has been substantiated as anything really all that useful beyond beginner level bodywork and body awareness and conditioning to move forward into actual real and hard work.
want to have better cardio? Do better cardio exercises. Want to bulk up? eat, lift heavy do low reps, want to buff up? eat right do high reps low weight, want to be a fighter? Fight?
want to be a kung fu guy? Live your life like a kung fu guy.
there is a whole lot of made up utter crap in the largest systems of martial arts. the bigger the style the more crap it has in it apparently.
To the point where people are misapplying the darn teachings in many instances.
Stressing the body for the sake of stressing it isn’t really an effective workout. If you cannot articulate and demonstrate the real benefits of something, then it is not likely that there is depth of understanding of that thing.
Cryptic mystical shit does nothing for the forwarding of martial arts.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1113589]why not do plyometrics instead?
static stance training has very little return on investment.
I’ve tried both of what you guys are doing and each is limited in what it brings to fighting skill.[/QUOTE]
Jamie Davidson;
Plyometrics require a relatively huge amount of recovery time. You can only safely perform concentrated plyometric training 2 maybe 3 times a week.
Static strength elements can be practiced everyday, have a low recovery burden, only take minutes and has a great return on investment. It is painful and boring and requires diligence and motivation, you can’t practice like a dilettante and expect results.
[QUOTE=bawang;1113587]why dont you try what i said? what are you afraid of?[/QUOTE]
I’m not afraid of that. It’s just I know at least 100 different training methods that can give me more benefit than the one that you have described. My problem is not that I run out of training idea. My problem is I want to train so many things that I just don’t have time to train them all.
I prefer to do these instead of the one that you are talking about.
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