This one is from those Chin woo wannab’s in North Carolina ( www.dokungfu.com ). I have no frikin idea what set them off this time, but here’s what they wrote me today. What do you guys all think of this??
[I]Mr. Lenceoni,
Where, when and how are you connected to the Chao family? There is no possible way in hell you are even remotly connected to this family name. You are asking for a law suit even mentioning the Chao family name. Not to mention the use of copywritten materials. You are not a part of the tai tsu chang chuan system and never will be. Stop with your ignorant and flagrant abuse of the Chao family name. This letter was written by Mr. Barker and Mr. Bongaerts on behalf of Mr. David Kash the only true inheritor of the system, as taught to him directly by Grandmaster Chao Yuh Feng.
Mr. Barker
Mr. Bongaerts
Mr. Kash[/I]
Like I said, I have no idea what thier beef is here. I don’t have any “Copywrited” materials (Except stuff I’ve authored myself), let alone use it if I did.
I don’t know what he means by Ignorant, Flagorant abuse of the Chao family name. The only thing I can even think of where I reacently used it was to describe the kind of Taiji Quan I do, which is Chao style Taiji Quan. He can’t be miffed about that…can he? If so, what does that make him?
From what I see, you don’t have to bash the Chao family name, you just have to mention it.
Personally, I don’t think the Chao family gives a rats’s As.s about these people. They have good Taiji Quan (Even if it’s a modern system), they know it. Why these people in NC even care who says the word “Chao” is beyond me. Thier “Leader” was just a student of a Chao family member, not actual blood family or anything.
Chao Yuh Feng died in 1996. His Nephew is rummured to be learning Tai Tzu at a prominat school in Taiwan. He’s not even in the US himself. What does some former student of his, living here in North Carolina care who knows, practices, or talks about THEIR Taiji Quan system for anyway? 7 Years after he died? I don’t see the Chen family getting all PO’d because someone says “Chen”. It’s not like you can own the name “Chao” and have exclusive rights to it. It’s a rather common name in China. How do you copywrite someone’s family name anyway?
if the chao family cared, then they would act on their own or through some legitimate legal spokesperson, not through some nob writing a letter on behalf of someone else assuming authority over the name of a third party.
if he was a lawyer, he’d refer to himself as such. if he was a chao, his name wouldn’t have a slight western european hint to it.
use it for a laugh then file it away in your “letters with little or no merit or relevance to the world in which i live” folder.
LOL!!! I thought you guys would like this one. I’m sure your tired of me posting different variations of the “Nigera” scamm (Got a new version of that one reacently Btw)
Oh, btw, David Kash’s real last name is “Natolie”. I found this out when I was researching the fact that he was claiming to be the head of Won Ark Wey’s lineage.
He he he he, yeah he changed his website after I gave him greife about that one roughly 2 years ago. Now he just says he’s “One” of the inheritors. You should look at his lineage charts though, he’s assigned Derek Prout as the inheritor now. the way it’s written, it looks like he’s the only one or something.
http://www.dokungfu.com/index_page0003.htm * * You become part of a famous historical organization founded in 1909 by the famous Master Ho Yuan Jia and you receive a beautiful certificate in both Chinese and English suitable for framing.
However, I have been contacting Chin woo every year, for several years now (like 4), at Shanghi, Hong Kong, and the US Texas branch, and they have never heard of him for most of the itmes I contacted them, till reacently that is. Now they say they know of “Cloud forest Chin Woo”, but they are not in any way shape or form connected to THE Chin Woo Athletic association as claimed all over the cloud forest website.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but when your own suposed organasation won’t even admit your part of them, maybe you should stop trying to pretend?
An this guy wants to sue little old me for saying “Chao”?
I thought Kash was one of your teachers for awhile their. I remeber you once mentioning you think he was not very honest about certain aspects of his teachings.
Actually I was under Livingston. He was at one time partners with Kash. Kash however was never my teacher (Thank God)
I was associated with him and his group for a wile because of my connection to Livingston. We all practice the same Chao style Taiji Quan as taught by Chao Yuh Feng, who taught it to both Kash, and Livingston (an apparently a good number of other people).
Kash seems to think it’s Tai Tzu Chang Chuan for some reason, when it’s really a modern Yang Short form with a couple postures form the General Qi Jiguang 32 move Tai Tzu Chang Chuan Chart mixed in.
Anyone who does the Chen Man Ching 37 move form, knows the form move for move up to the first 9-10 moves or so. The expression is a tad different, but it’s the same damm thing otherwise, till you get past the Single Whip, that’s where it becomes it’s own form.
Actually, as for his lack of “Honesty” I really owe you guys at KFO for opening my eyes to that one. You guys are the ones who kept needling me about the histories, and dubious claimes he’s made over the years. Many others would get po’d and insulted, I decided to listen to all of you and look into things and found you were all right about him.
Of course his students deciding to follow me around the net and attacking me completly out of the blue for no real reason helped with that too, but I didn’t know it was them at first. that’s what sparked the world war, because they ****ed me off with that, so I published my findings on the research I had done on him in retaliation. They finnaly shut up when I threatened to publish their sacred 37 move form to anyone willing to send me a blank video.
I think the guy just had a bad day and wanted to vent his rage!!!
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No, these dickweeds can’t handle the fact that other people know Tai Tzu, and they don’t. They also can’t handle the fact that thier Tai Chi is just plan old regular Tai Chi, and not some sort of “Original internal art of the Ancient Emperors”. Same goes for their Bagua, and Hsing I.
RD, you do realize that by putting the word “chao” in your sig line, all 2,509 (at current count) messages of yours will have the word “chao” in their sig as well, right?
