There is an opening section before the set begins which ends at :17 in the video. From that point is where you’d begin if linking it with the common Xiaohongquan Yilu (road 1).
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[QUOTE=LFJ;1235955]I don’t know of any tool that can download Youtube videos anymore. It’s part of Youtube’s policy. If I knew a way I’d have it for collection on my channel…[/QUOTE]
Videos that are not restricted in different countries can be downloaded with JDownloader for example. Maybe SHemmatti can help
What’s the 1st form for that XHQ? i mean, i’m asking 'cause i’ve read here that there are a lot of XHQ forms, and not all are related between each other
[QUOTE=HmorenoM;1236190]What’s the 1st form for that XHQ? i mean, i’m asking 'cause i’ve read here that there are a lot of XHQ forms, and not all are related between each other
Thank you :)[/QUOTE]
The first form for that one is the standard Xiao Hong Quan as practiced in Shaolin temple today.
That is the second part and can be linked directly to the first through the zuo shan posture. This way it forms one very long form.
[QUOTE=Sal Canzonieri;1238180]Seems to have a lot of overlap with Shaolin encyclopedia’s Xiao Hong Quan Er Lu set.[/QUOTE]
I see only possibly a little kicking sequence, but nothing beyond that. It’s actually quite close to Yilu, where a lot of it is Yilu technique expanded for follow-up actions or recovery from unsuccessful Yilu technique.
You’ll notice overall it follows the Yilu sequence, with xiexing - shizi zhang kou - yunding - qixing - danbian - lihe chongtianpao - xiezi bai wei, etc.. It’s all there, just expanded.
As well as the 3 main sections where in Yilu they are xiexing - panzhou - 3 tuizhang. In Erlu they are xiexing - menghu chu dong - 3 huodashou.
The last part is not done very clearly by the kid in this video, so you can’t really see it, but it’s overall the same sequence with a little different technique.
We also know Erlu in Ruan village is close to this version, which confirms its legitimacy and to a certain extent, its age.
I have managed to find a video of the nanyuan pai Er lu Xiao Hong Quan.
The video is labelled incorrectly, it is labelled as Da Hong Quan and using the wrong hong character.
However it is er lu Xiao Hong Quan from the nan yuan pai.
If you do not know the form and a bit about the nanyuan style it may be difficult for you to see the similarity.
However if you know it you can see the sequence come through. Li he–chong tian pao–lian huan xuan feng jiao. Then the jumping knee technique. This sect uses fan bei zhang instead of tui zhang. Same Hai di lou yue—woxin pao. Same Menghuchudong. Its just shortened and performed fast.
What is exciting is this sect split from Shaolin in 1641 after the massacre at the temple and their village inherited Shaolin Quan.
So after 360 years it is interesting to see in what ways the form has diverged.
Yilu is much closer to the temple version, but this is still remarkebly close given the age difference.
Good find! I would have skipped through all those videos.
[QUOTE=RenDaHai;1238322]If you do not know the form and a bit about the nanyuan style it may be difficult for you to see the similarity.[/QUOTE]
Lots of the leaping entry tactic, common to the Ruan style. It appears to begin with the second half— the leaping part— of “wu zi deng ke” going to the right. Then it’s pretty similar throughout, more obvious with their Yilu in mind, just shortened.
[QUOTE=LFJ;1238328]Lots of the leaping entry tactic, common to the Ruan style. It appears to begin with the second half the leaping part of “wu zi deng ke” going to the right. Then it’s pretty similar throughout, more obvious with their Yilu in mind, just shortened.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they even do a big leap into QiXing…
So both forms will have diverged from a common ancestor,
But if we take the history of the village as correct then XiaoHongQuan has remained remarkably similar for near 400 years and has been in at least these two parts. In the Nanyuan they said they have 4 XHQ. So it may be that all 4 are similar to the 4 current ones.
This is cool to know and makes me certain that this form should be considered part of the main XHQ canon.
[QUOTE=LFJ;1238333]Right, like the set from Luotuoyuan. I kind of feel it is derived mostly from the Nanyuan version. It has a lot more similarities.[/QUOTE]
Quite possibly,
Interestingly Luotuoyuan does 2 types of QiXing, one is completely square on and looks like the standard. The other (as in Taizu Chang Quan) is completely side on, vertical fist, palm by the shoulder. In the nanyuan they do qixing like this, side on, vertical fist, palm by the shoulder. I haven’t seen anywhere except these two use that version.