OK, the situation is, you’ve caused the opponent to fall or you’ve knocked him down or thrown him. He is on the ground in a defensive position, shaken up but not seriously hurt. Purely hypothetical situation where the battle is going to continue from this point??
The fight would continue from the cage. But you already know that 
is this a competition or street fight scenario?
Hmmm, my ground sucks about as bad as it can,so I might do a kneling sleeper if I’m set up for it as an extension of the take down, but if I’m not already in a situation where I have some sort of control and crush as an extensiosn of the take down itself, i will back out of the situation, and force him to fight me on his feet.
I may also back out just enough so he can’t catch me, but stay close enough to charge in and kick him in the ribs, face, or what ever wile he’s in that moment of vulnerability during the transition from being on the ground to standing again.
Depends
Self defense alone, I’d get my ass out of there.
Self defense family, I’d get them running while keeping him in a defensive position on the ground(if possible) using kicks or an improvised weapon. This is stupid but I’m protecting my family.
He has something that is a matter of life or death, I’m following him to the ground hoping he’s not a BJJ fighter.
Depends.
Not all situations allow for you to safely follow or safely not follow the opponent. If my hands are in good position, and the energys are correct, of course you follow.
Pick up the nearest chair and bash the hell out of him while he’s in gaurd.
Assuming I would need too follow…
…him to the ground I would have used a similar decision process
as rogue.
yenhoi just made another good point.
If he has buddies around then no.
I also differentiate ‘throws’ and ‘takedown’.
If my goal was only a throw then no, probably not, as
I hopefully had the throw as my final technique to
disengage before scootin’ my butt out of there.
I think the decision to follow to the ground should
have been made prior to the technique which sent
him there.
mmmm…not making sense…too many tequila shots
with gin & tonic chasers last night:eek:
matt
dre
another good point…attack the nearest weapon with something
harder.
a good ground guard IS hard to get past so remove it first if you
must get past it.
matt
From an overall,logical,easy and military view,no way.
Grounded opponent-inferior position of vulnerability.
Yours-Great position of dominance.
Not that he would not have a change,but changes are yours are good.
Hypothetical.
If an opponent has ‘pulled guard’ on you on the ground, then you are in it.
yenhoi
can you elaborate a little more?
do you mean that if they ‘pulled guard’ that they pulled you
with them??
thanks,
Matt
The guard is a position only used, and effective if performed in very close quarters with your opponent. If your not “in it”, then you won’t see it.
I don’t think I’d ever follow someone to the ground on purpose because
1 - My ground game is just this sid eof nonexistent
2 - The way I see a ‘reality’ situation, once you’re separated enough from your opponent that he’s no longer an immediate threat to you, it’s time to leave.
er… I meant that the person on the ground had put their legs in front of them (facing you) and was in a Judo/BJJ esque defence posture.
Anyway, I sand with my beat with weapon answer.
dre-I followed you and totally agreed–smash the legs with
a big stick is a fantastic idea-I like a nash(editnice) ash
axe handle:D
CSN-I would follow to ground, all else being equal, because my
ground game is a tad better than my stand up game,
especially against a quicker fighter. But, yes, if you have
tossed your man away from you it’s time to beat feet…
RD-I know what the basic bjj/judo guard is, it seemed like maybe
yenhoi was saying something different, but he seems to be
a little enigmatic today
And, now, I will say that I think the bjj guard is pretty effective
if you are playing a grappling only rules based game. Otherwise
there are tons of pressure points and nerves on the insides of the
legs just begging to be manipulated not to mention the groin is
pretty open to the elbow, or teeth or whatever.
relative skill levels are still the biggest factor…
Matt
If for some reason:
A> My opponent is not badly hurt already
B. and I have failed to maintain a control over him
and he looks like a skilled BJJ or Sambo player.
I’m running out of there or throwing things at them. Those b@stards do great takedowns from the ground. Let them come back up and play my game.
If I maintained control, but did not disable them on the way down, I will keep them in my torture chamber. The, um, ‘cage’.
If this is a self-defense situation, I’m running, at this point.
If this is a self-defense situation and for some reason I can’t run, I’d be stomping on his face, at this point.
If this is a self-defense situation and I can’t run, and I am absolutely sure that he has no friends or allies that are about to help him, and no one else is about to step in and whack on me, then I would follow him to the ground, in an attempt to choke him out, and thus subdue him with as little injury as possible.
I consider the last situation to be an unlikely, one, but if it came up, that’s what I’d do. No point in doing serious damage to someone if you can avoid it.
What if he’s outside of you home with you, in between you and your front door, he was trying to get into your house, and appears to want to continue to fight or continue towards your front door.
WD - your right, I guess I am really thinking of a situation in which you have lost contact. I can see myself flowing into a cage from certain takedowns and continuing the fight from there. How about if he’s simply tripped and fallen to the ground, and takes a posture there?
I’m thinking that staying on my feet and kicking at him is an option, while keeping aware of him grabbing one of my legs. Of course, thinking about how to use a weapon or the environment to my advantage is a given.
What if he’s outside of you home with you, in between you and your front door, he was trying to get into your house, and appears to want to continue to fight or continue towards your front door.
If you are in an urban environment then stall and wait for the
cops.
If rural, kill him and bury him in the back 40.
If he appears to still want to fight and you don’t close then he
has to get back up.
If he goes for the door to your house then he will expose himself
to you at some point.
WD - your right, I guess I am really thinking of a situation in which you have lost contact. I can see myself flowing into a cage from certain takedowns and continuing the fight from there. How about if he’s simply tripped and fallen to the ground, and takes a posture there?
again, wait, if he wants more he will get back up. don’t play
a game you don’t want to.
I’m thinking that staying on my feet and kicking at him is an option, while keeping aware of him grabbing one of my legs. Of course, thinking about how to use a weapon or the environment to my advantage is a given. What if he’s outside of you home with you, in between you and your front door, he was trying to get into your house, and appears to want to continue to fight or continue towards your front door.
I think kicking at a totally aware downed opponent who appears
to want to fight on the ground may not be the best tactic.
just mho
matt