cha kuen: Yeah, those were nice training clips.
Peter Aarts: Those were cool.
I wonder if someone has noticed a difference between lineages when it comes to the more advanced levels. I have practiced WT (I practice another lineage now) and WT looks like any other WC/VT/WT when training, i.e. like the clips that cha kuen posted, but totaly different when it comes to hardcore sparring. There are lots of elbows, chainpunches, knees, sweeps etc at the higher levels of sparring.
Is it WT that is different?
I ain’t looking for a right or wrong but differences of executing WC at the higher levels. I do not want to get into a brain-dead “VT is better then WT” discussion like the ones they have at the forum at http://www.vingtsun.com.hk/forum/.
Well the only difference I see is two different environments. The first video, the guy is just simulating street combat. It looks good to me, his form is good. he does some things that are normally ignored in most schools I see, ground fighting being one of them. The second, the guys are doing Chi sau in a more controlled environment. there are frequent pauses in play. I dont see either way as wrong, and in either case form and technique seemed to be pretty good.
There seems to be a lot of professional jealousy or something going on in the martial arts world, in this case Wing chun speciifically. Other then the clips that cha kuen put on this string, I havent heard one nice thing from this forum on anyone who has a demo on the internet. Its always, he could do this better, or do that better, or his form or structure sucks. He uses too many of those or whatever. Whats the deal? Personally I think I would clean off my own porch before criticing these guys who have the guts to let it all hang out. I have never seen, perfect technique or structure. I have seen really good structure, really good technique, but I have never seen perfect. I fyou guys have clips or pictures of these I would like to see them though.
Originally posted by cha kuen
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i was going to post a response to all the criticisms of the WT clips (and hopefully those were just directed at the clips, and not WT as a martial art), but i think chakuen said it for me. peace.
I totally agree with you guys on he who cast the first stone. Thats why I dont understand why it is so common, especially when someone post pictures or video clips! I just think it is more insulting to these guys that people dare make a statement on thier ability without knowing and testing them themselves!
Its one thing to touch hands with someone and make a statement about thier ability, its another to get a small example and then judge them with the finality that is often found on this forum.
peter peter pumpkin eater
why am i not surprised that i haven’t heard you mentioning that you have e-mailed or visited my sifu.
i see you’ve added ‘the machine’ to your tittle.
until you visit him & earn that tittle you are no more than a fool & a pretender to the crown.
grow up you loser.
besides that, that guys footwort was appalling & the over dramatisation(is that even a word- it is now) with the knives & his face was quite funny as well.
you’ve shown, to me at least, that you know very little & that you are just an arrogant fool, show some balls - go visit him, then you may earn some of that respect that you desperately seek.
vts
Vingtsunpractitioner:
Ok. I’ll bite on your reply to Peter Aarts…
I think you have a serious ego problem. Maybe you should get some professional help and return when you get more respect for other people. This reply isn’t intended to diss you but I am seriously concerned about your mental health.
hey nichiren
if you decided to check up on old pete boy you understand my piont of view.
as to my ego, it’s f’n huge, know where near as small as your brain to pass judgement without checkin’ my reasons first & definetely no where as big as your mouth, again for not checkin’ my reasons but feeling the need to comment on something that is no concern of yours.
if you wish to look down on me fine but check the facts first.
vts
ps i went looking for the thread where he started all with a lot of smart a$$ comments about my sifu but it seem everything he said was deleted
Please don’t turn this forum into a forum like the one your orginization presents (http://www.vingtsun.com.hk/forum). If you want to revert to name calling and putting people down, do it there. I, for one, come to this forum to view and learn (and sometimes post) ideas and theories about wing chun techniques and applications from other wing chun schools/styles other than my own. Whether I agree with them or not, it is interesting and refreshing to see other view points.
I’m sure I’ll probably get slagged for this post by you and your friends. So be it.
I´m glad I´ve read your disclaimer first: It makes some things clear. As for the term “Machine”, if you think you´ve got the copyright, I´m willing to change my title. No hard feelings.
Concerning your arranged deathmatch between your Sifu and Botha, you should turn to the latter one. He knows all the details. Do not blame me for things going not the way you want them to be.
I respect your well argumented thoughts about the clip. Who am I to disagree with you.
I´m going to look for some more Wing Chun clips and ask for your professional opinion, you like that???
Well, pathetic beginner. I tried for the last two weeks to make an appointment with “your” Sifu. First of all, he doesn’t even know who you are. Second, he was not keen about meeting me for some chisao. I’m not saying he is afraid.
BTW Who gave you permission to speak for “your” sifu. Don’t think it is very respectfull of you to do so. If, and I say if you are his student, did he ask you to make arrangements for “challenge matches”? Don’t think so.
Great clips!!! Both sifu’s showed some great stuff. Thanks to you both.
Aarts;
Not trying to diss you or your clips, but I don’t know the weapons forms yet so I don’t feel I should comment other than to say the video was quality stuff and enjoyable.
firstly let me start by appologising to nichiren as this part of my last post was a bit rough on him for his piont of view.
‘know where near as small as your brain to pass judgement without checkin’ my reasons first & definetely no where as big as your mouth, again for not checkin’ my reasons but feeling the need to comment on something that is no concern of yours. ’
i do understand but as i said all the things he has had to say about ‘not just my sifu’(for some reason botha seems to like ‘your’ sifu) were deleted for his rude behavior. I DID NOT START THIS.
(ps nichiren i am currently under the supervision of the best mental doctors money can buy;))
there/his first posts here - tell us the story again please, Peter Aarts & botha, so one of you was in internet cafe & ask about teachers in the netherlands & the other just happened to be in the same cafe(the same ip as sihing pionted out when this troll first appeared) & posted a reply 2 minutes later. truely believable. :rolleyes:
Gandolf269, if you were to go to the site you have mentioned have a look & see if you can find me there trolling, then look for peter & have a look at some of the truely knowledgable posts he has made.(also check for all his allias eg dik vrij)
i have been on this form, it seems, a bit longer than you & yes i have argued with some but generally end up having a laugh with them as well(hi empty cup, whippy, sunkuen & all my other friends & ardent admirers)
i’m sorry if you feel me posting my truthful opinion about the footwork being terrible was in some way negative but i can’t see why you should give someone a wrap when it sucked. this in know way means he may not be good but his footwork WAS terrible.(notice - i did not put down the man, only his footwork)
i also wonder how something that you may not or don’t agree with might be seen as refreshing.
Peter Aarts & botha
firstly, if you took the time to read any other threads on here you would clearly have seen me say i speak for myself not my teacher. i have clearly stated this many times.
secondly, i am very much doubting that you have been in contact with him due to you saying he doesn’t know me.
i have been with the school 12 years & am one of the senior student in my home town of newcastle, i have stayed at barry’s house whilst attending seminars by wong shun leung & have had more than one private lesson under him.
lastly, i can see how some might see what i have said as a challenge but in reality pete, you know that the first time you bad mouthed my teacher all i did was tell you that he was in germany & you might want to go check out his gung fu before you start bad mouthing him. you take that as a challenge- grow up.
i do like however that it has turned into a challenge/death match.
and i find it funny how immature i am.
to the rest who have had to endure this i am sorry.
vts
none from me either.
it is funny to me that without even having a video to view these trolls passed comment on my teacher, let alone the fact they felt the need to tell us how poor wong shun leaung’s forms were.
there response is to post them clips & then get upset when someone makes a harsh comment on them, i don’t know & maybe i’m way off but is more the fact that they were of a wing tsun practitioner & they thought i was putting down there whole system.
i call a spade a spade & for that i appologise.
to my deathmatch losers, why don’t you post a copy of your
e-mail to barry here so i & others can see what way you approached him. my guess is you haven’t but if you did i could also summise he probably ignored you & wrote you off for the troll you are.
as for things goin’ my way… i will tell you this if i had the time & money i would come over & see you personally!
i have never & will never need anybody to fight for me!
just be careful what you wish for boys.
vts
