[QUOTE=Toby;779185]Hey M, may I ask where do you have tan gerk and bong gerk in your CK? I don’t have them in either of the versions I know.[/QUOTE]My stamp kick goes up through tan gerk and my lifting kick goes up through bong gerk. The tan gerk is easier to see, but neither of them are ‘chambers’ as such: very much transitory, as the kicks are supposed to go as directly to the target as possible (we do do a ‘bigger’ version of tan and bong gerk more readily designed as intercepts - strictly the ones in CK are designed as kicks which if intercepted form tan/bong to start around the obstruction - but they are the basis of our leg checking knees too).
My sifu taught us that if the range was too short, exactly the same movement was the basis of WC’s knee strikes, and when we got to that part of CK we worked knees on the bag too using the same motion. The only real difference is that when your leg’s bent for a knee you can’t finish the ‘walking step’ of the kick without stamping/scraping/sweeping down if your opponent’s leg is in the way.
Diffiuclt to explain, easy to show: hope that helped.
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;779191]Diffiuclt to explain, easy to show: hope that helped.[/QUOTE]Your explanation was good, I know exactly what you’re talking about.
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;779191]… the kicks are supposed to go as directly to the target as possible …[/QUOTE]This reflects what we do - no tan or bong gerk in either of those kicks for us. We train the tan and bong elsewhere, not in CK at all. For all I know it might be one of those “hidden movements” that appear in some forms that I’m just not aware of, but I’ve never heard it mentioned nor had it taught to me.
I’m going to be in Japan at the end of the year. It’d be interesting to meet up although the opportunity probably won’t present itself. We’ll only be in Tokyo in transit, Nozawa the rest of the time.
[QUOTE=Toby;779195] We train the tan and bong elsewhere, not in CK at all.[/QUOTE]
I hope you mean, the hand and kick together isnt in CK.
Every major lineage out there contains Bong Sao within CK. Its heavily featured in the section following Pie Jarn. :rolleyes:
Just to clarify…
What i think Mr Punch and i were refering to, was the presence of Far Gerk (as i call it) or a raising leg block in CK…which is similar to the MT leg block.
Not the presence of a Bong or Tan and kick together… :rolleyes:
At least in my CK. Mr Punch can correct me if hes different.
[QUOTE=Liddel;779198]I hope you mean, the hand and kick together isnt in CK.
Every major lineage out there contains Bong Sao within CK. Its heavily featured in the section following Pie Jarn. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]I guess I should’ve been more explicit. This is the wing chun forum after all ;). I meant tan and bong gerk, not tan and bong sao. It was supposed to be in the context of the sentence preceding it. In my both versions of CK I do there are plenty of bong saos, although not really tan saos as they appear in other forms.
[QUOTE=Liddel;779204]My Bad Bro - i dont use the same terms…[/QUOTE]To me, tan gerk is like a MT roundhouse block. Knee comes up to horizontal, shin vertical, then outwards rotation. Bong gerk is like what you would do if you were picking something up with your toes combined with some rotation. Sort of describes them both, anyway.
[QUOTE=Edmund;779149]Well Tang So Do is korean pronounciation of the earlier method of writing “Karate-do”. They never stated it wasn’t originated from karate.
Most TKD guys with their head straight would say the same.
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Tell that to Mr. Choi
A KATSU I knew while stationed in S. Korea was a TSD stylist and swore up and down that TSD is Korean, and the Kata I knew came from Korea and not Okinawa.
I knew better, but some people like their delusions over what is. I wouldn’t doubt the delusion is more wide spread than just Chio however.
[QUOTE=edward;779136]i dont’ know how it get into the subject of strong kick… coz its irrelevant… i mean whether you get hit by a car or a bus, does it freaking matter.. your still gonna die.
As for the thai kick, if you can do tae kwon do kicks, you can do a thai kick, the mechanics aren’t much different. and tae kwon do kicks are much more difficult to do in terms of athleticism.
the point, of the video regarding strong kick, is that you don’t want to do techinques that might work in school that won’t work in real life… i see peopel all the time trying to absorb the blunt of the force in the kick… and the fact that most people don’t know how to kick is fortunate for them… but when you run into someone who can really lay the smack on the kick, its a world of hurt.[/QUOTE]
Any WC tech used against any kick should not be done in a staic position. For the most part, it should be done moving forward, toward your opponet and off-lining away from the power of the kick. The footwork being waaay more important than whatever hand tech you use.
Of course the dynamic with low kicks and using bong/yap gurk is sleightly different from MT leg defence, using more of a forward motion, and IME has impressed some people who use a standard MT leg defence.
[QUOTE=Edmund;778937]Benny Urquidez has never won in Thailand. . . [/QUOTE]
My bad. You are correct. Benny fought fighters from Thailand in Japan. Two out of three ain’t bad.
Phil
But if you wanna fight a real good thaiboxer shouldnt you go to the nederlands. I seem to recall they pretty much dominated the heavy weight division at one time.
Although its been a while since I followed MT closely.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;779438]My bad. You are correct. Benny fought fighters from Thailand in Japan. Two out of three ain’t bad.
Phil[/QUOTE]
I’m not sure he’s actually beaten any Thai’s in Japan either.
I believe he’s fought one in Japan but it was ruled No Contest.
[QUOTE=jesper;779443]Just to spin off a bit
But if you wanna fight a real good thaiboxer shouldnt you go to the nederlands. I seem to recall they pretty much dominated the heavy weight division at one time.
Although its been a while since I followed MT closely.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. They also do really well in K1. Dutch fighters Schilt, Hoost, Aerts, and Bonjasky have all won the K1 GP multiple times.
The Dutch do pretty good in most divisions actually.
[QUOTE=Liddel;779553]Dekker is SICK to watch man.
Look at his intent - Hes out to HURT you. I love it…
His work rate is awesome and i like the downward elbows he launches in the clinch at times…
DREW[/QUOTE]
Dekker is a bad MoFo.
Its funny but even the crappy guys I still think I could learn allot from.
Someone that sucks in MT or MMA professionally.. could probably still kick the *** out of me and most people.
here you see mawashi geris done the karate way; just tell me one Muay Thai guy who’ll beat him. Hm, ok, Bonjasky won Feitosa on points …- but Bonjasky represents Euro/Dutch/ Modified MT, which is common in Europe.
K-1 is the premier platform for HW stand up fighters, the Champ at the moment is Semmy Schilt, a Dutch kyokushin fighter. K-1 rules are “modified” MT/ kick boxing with low kicks and knees, no Thai knees from the clinch or elbows.
Not that Semmy would mind clinching. he’s lost to Fedor Emelianenko, but in his last MMA match he triangle choked a judoka.
From 1:45 on you see Glaube dropping a guy with red ace of spade pants - he’s Carter williams, who might be I think the highest rated Muay thai HW in the USA.
