I read an article in a recent inside kungfu magazine that says size does matter in a fight. Anyway story goes that you take a really big guy standing something like 6 foot 6 and 300lb and that say a wing chun guy who is much smaller say 5 foot 9 170 lbs wouldn’t stand a chance in a fight against this individual. This big guy wouldn’t need any martial art background…and simply use his big fists and long reach to kick the s**t out of the wing chun guy or any small guy for that matter… Anyone ever used his/her WC or know of anyone able to defend themselves against a very much larger opponent?
Rickson Gracie fought David Levicki in an Vale Tudo fight.
Rickson Gracie is a black belt in Brazilian jiujitsu. David Levicki was a wing chun guy who was huge and out weighed Gracie by over 100 pounds.
Rickson easily took Levicki down and kneed his spine and smashed his face in. Rickson was much smaller and weaker. The reason Rickson won is becasue wing chun sucks and just can’t compare to brazilian jiujitsu. Dispite Ricksons much smaller size BJJ prevailed agaisnt wing chun.
Brazilian jiujitsu is superior.
Against a Big Guy
Wing Chun can work against a big guy. There are moves in our arsenal that can beat a big guy. Arm breaks, stuff like that. Normally the smaller guy is slower than the little guy, take that advantage. I personally know Wing Chun can work against a big guy, I am 6’2" 230lbs. I am bigger than most guys. When I spar with my class mates we get in our hits and tags. Size really doesn’t matter. The Big guys are just bigger targets.
All the Gracie Levicki fight showed is that BJJ is good against big, sh*tty, wing chun guys!
I have defeated many larger opponents before. The biggest was probably 6 something and over 250 lbs. I used rapid hits to the head, one spinning heel kick to the mid-section, and many hammerfists to the back of his head as he ran away…
However, he was not a martial artist. Larger opponents who take martial arts are totally different…they have longer reach when wing chun guys need to get really close to utilize their techniques, and trading blows might occur in which bigger guys have great knockout power. It’s always advantageous to be bigger in most “sports”. Martial arts is no exception. Otherwise children such as ten year olds would be able to beat up grown men…
There’s a chinese saying that goes something like this: In the same school you will always lose to the larger opponent.
It means that within your own style, the larger opponent always wins. I don’t agree totally but I do see some truth to this. As to smaller opponents winning over larger ones, Bruce Lee was 5’7 and 145 lbs. Chuck Norris was just as small and so was Wong Shun Leung. Royce Gracie defeated many larger opponents during the first few UFCs.
It is possible but smaller people have to be alot better to beat somebody who’s larger.
To Ralek
I wouldn’t say that BJJ is better than Wing Chun. I went to the BJJ school near my house and sparred with a few of the students. Me at the age of 16 now I have 10 years of experence in the art of Wing Chun. And 6 year of sparring experence with Wing Chun. I was able to beat all of the students in the BJJ class, I think that was due the my year of experence over them. One of the students was a senior student there. He was like 30. He was good. His locks proved to take advantage to a lot of my moves, and was really agressive ( choking me ). Moves in the Wing Chun arsenal are stuff like deadly strikes that I will never us in a friendly sparring match. I did when fighting this guy ( since he was choking the hell out of me ) I started pulling move out like the gut kick on the dummy, elbow to the cheek bone and as hard as I hit him he wasn’t mad, he was impressed, after every few rounds we commended each other on the moves we excuted. In the end the Wing Chun chain punch prevailed over this grappling moves.
I can say BJJ is vary effective when we finished sparring we both layed on the dojo floor trying to catch out breath. Now I have intergrated BJJ into my fighting system to give me more of an advantage and he is no studing under my sifu in Wing Chun.
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Rolls,
We’ve already had this conversation. Go crawl back under your rock.
watchman, that’s not an answer typical of you… ?
go watchman go!!! 
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is there something going on here that I don’t know about? Why does the name rolls sound so familiar? wasn’t that a troller here before? who’s rolls here? one of the guys above? 
ralek would be him
how do you know? wasn’t he using a different username before?
I would love to fight Ralek and show him how a little guy could demolish a much taller guy, but I’d end up going to jail.
jiu Jutsu
MMM.
Ralek, try telling that to the jiu jutsu black belt whose nose ended up 3 feet wide after we got it on in a real, no rules good old fashioned streetfight a couple of years back.
There is no superior style. the man make s the art not the art makes the man.
BTW Levicki had a couple of wing chun lessons and was ‘promoted’ as a wing chun expert, to broaden the scope of the type of fighters included in the
so called ‘NHB’ events.
Regards
Dave F
‘wing chun men do it with sticky hands’
Size matters?
I believe obviosly size can matter to the everyday person on the street. Though not being a very big guy myself, I can honestly say most of the people I ever fought were bigger than myself (not to hard to find someone bigger than me). I don’t tend to look at a persons size as much as I do his experience. I believe in a normal street brawl against say 2 street fighters the bigger guy may usually win. Though I believe with training the smaller guy can get the upper hand. Now to add to this I believe that if you have the same 2 guys with lets say the exact same style and years behind him in most cases the larger person will win. But let’s not forget the “Banana peel affect”, we all make mistakes and every dog has his day. 
EmptyCup,
Rolls is Ralek’s old trolling alias (among four or five others)…and you’re right - that wasn’t a response typical of my usual jovial self. 
woodenman69 is correct - Dave never learned much Wing Chun (less than a year of spotty attendance to available twice weekly two hour classes).
Plus, that particular event Rolls mentioned wasn’t true vale tudo, even though it was promoted as such, because Rickson took it upon himself to change the rule format at the last minute.
The only thing Rickson proved was that he can beat down overrated, over-hyped, washed-up tomato cans in a venue under his control. :rolleyes:
Dear Ralek-whoever you are.
I dont know what you are doing here. You seem to know little
wing chun but you seem willing to make broad judgements about wing chun versus bjj-rec.ma style.. The Levicki fellow is one of the poorest excuse of a wing chun person-as far as i could tell from his pre-match wing chun form.Those matches are irrelevant to many good kung fu folks or top flight boxers- a combination of money(too little) and the rules(favors bjj).Real fights dont involve rolling around
for long periods on the ground.BTW, the bjj folks -
the good ones- are good at what they do.Each to their own curiosities.They should not be underestimated but neither should a non bjj person play the bjj game. I remember well the second Shamrock/Gracie meeting. One very clumsy Shamrock punch ripped Gracie’s face and changed the rhythm of the fight.Why not discuss specifics of wing chun on a wing chun list?
Well said Slayer!! I am six foot two, weigh 96 kilos & have kickboxed (Thai style, of course!) for 2 and a half years. I got beaten (fighting under Thai rules too!) by a guy who is 5 foot 7, and weighs about 83. He is a WING CHUN practitioner and obviously knows what he’s doing 'cos he was able to destroy my superior strength very easily.
It all comes down to how hard you train. If you spend all day practising Chi Sao then you probably won’t win, unless your opponent feels like playing that game too. If you train to fight big ugly nasty men who are soundly intent on spilling your brains all over the pavement then chances are you’ll have a pretty good chance. I mean look at Yip Man. Was he big & mighty? He didn’t need to be.
And grapplers are fun. Correct me if I’m wrong (and I only want people who actually know what they’re talking about & have trained) but the times I’ve sparred grapplers at my Muay Thai class (we run a sideline of BJJ, but I can’t go 'cos of work committments-damn!) and when (if) they take you down so long as you can start smashing on the way down and just keep going ballistic they often have difficulty locking you up if you keep jamming your fists into their faces at high speed. I have all the respect in the world for grapplers BTW, I’m not trying to start anything, just sharing my experience.
Though they certainly have whipped me a couple of times too. Oops, I’ve gotten a bit off topic.
Train hard Grasshopper (oops, Marcelino) and Wing Chun will prevail!!!
“Pain is merely weakness leaving the body”
Straight Blast,
when (if) they take you down so long as you can start smashing on the way down and just keep going ballistic they often have difficulty locking you up if you keep jamming your fists into their faces at high speed.
IMHO, that tends to work against a BJJ player of more “sport” oriented experience, as they tend leave themselves exposed in some areas when attempting takedowns and transitioning into one of the dominant positions.
Those that train for NHB/MMA competitions (and have supplemented their training with a good wrestling base) tend to be “tighter” when shooting for takdowns.
I agree it’s harder for them to sink on a joint control maneuver if you’re rapid firing punches at them, but a smart fighter will make sure and smother you out in a dominant position before working to seperate your limbs from your body.
IMO, it’s best to train some solid takedown defences - and positional escapes if you happen to get taken down - rather than rely on striking alone to get you out of trouble.
If you can escape and/or reverse a position you’ve effectively removed a BJJ player’s arsenal (as far as straight joint control goes), and therefore can put yourself at an advantage.