wing chun works, you just have to move and be patient
i have used wing chun with a guy who is 6’ 4’’ and 240 lbs. i am 5’ 5’’ 140 lbs. the first thing that i find important in sparring bigger people (that is just about everyone with me. lol.) is that you have to move and stay on center. you can’t chase punches. also you can’t go by that wing chun saying “wing chun never takes a step back” that is ment for when the other person is less skilled and doesn’t have such a big weight advatage. you have to move around and be patient and wait for the right time to strike. you have to get in and get out, wear them down. you can’t just stay in there and in-fight with them. i beat this guy in full contact san shou. he had experiecnce with wing chun and kick boxing. and he had weight lifted for 8 years. i also beat a guy that was like 250 in chi sau, but that is different. so wing chun does work against big guys, you just have to move and be patient.
know yourself don’t show yourself, think well of yorself don’t tell of yourself. lao tzu
Yeah, when I move up to the coast for my full time Wing Chun training I’m going to cross train a bit in BJJ. My brother in law (who is also doing Wing Chun) asked me if I’d be interested 'cos a mate of his (I don’t know his name) teaches. Believe me, if I’ve been taken down properly I tend to spend a lot of time wasting a lot of effort getting nowhere while a grappler laughs at my feeble efforts. It’s all in good fun!
I’d love to train some wrestling too. I like to cross-train.
one example i can think of is the conversion of keith kernspecht to wingtsun. when kernspecht first met leung ting, he was 6’2" 220 pounds and could bench press over 450 lbs. he was also trained in freestyle wrestling, judo, kempo, shaolin kungfu. he met leung ting and leung let him attack him anyway he wished and kernspecht couldn’t touch him. this is from kernspecht’s interview with combat magazine.
“It’s all fun and games til someone loses an eye. Then it’s just fun.”
As a “big guy” i know full well the little guys can hurt me, big time. now im well shy of 6’6" 300 (by 5" and 40 lbs) but some of the “smaller” practicioners of BOTH arts my Sifu teachs scare me.
As to the question about whether LT ever hurt KK I think that the answer is moot. My reasons for stating this are simple:
Keith Kernsprecht had some knowledge of fighting prior to meeting with Leung Ting. He even looked into other Wing Chun. The simple fact is that Keith was impressed enough with Leung Tings method to embrace it wholeheartedly. He has become the highest ranked and possibly highest skilled person outside of Hong Kong, and in many cases including those in Hong Kong in the WT system. I would think it fairly safe to say that he was impressed enough with Leung Ting and had respect for his approach. This would leave me to believe that he found Leung Tings approach to be more applicable than what he had previously studied. Added to the fact that he continues to train in and promote WT it would seem that he, at least felt, WT was of great benefit.
Given the above does it really matter if Leung Ting or anyone else, since it was actually Allan Fong who traveled with Leung Ting to introduce WT to Germany, was able to “hurt” him??
I believe that in that “match,” Kernspecht simply wanted to gauge how good Leung Ting was. It was not a challenge match, so the intent of either person was not to ever hurt the other. Kernspecht being very fluent in many martial arts was invited by Leung Ting to throw any attack he wanted without warning, and Leung Ting would nullify them all. And in fact he did. Kernspecht realized that at any time, Leung Ting could have launched an offensive and wiped him out, which is what impressed Kernspecht and converted him to WT.
I believe Leung Ting is 5’6" and weighs about 150 pounds. Definitely a small frame.
which do you think takes more skill? hurting someone? or being able to control and nullify whatever attack that someone throws at you WITHOUT hurting him?
novox…actually i think leung ting was only 135 at the time. according to kernspecht anyway.
“It’s all fun and games til someone loses an eye. Then it’s just fun.”
oh yeah, here’s another example. wong shun leung (5’6", 120lbs) fought a russian boxer named Giko(6’6", 250lbs). and since this wasn’t a friendly match, but a setup “beimo” i’m sure wong hurt him enough for him to give up.
“It’s all fun and games til someone loses an eye. Then it’s just fun.”
Sifu John Allen of Green Dragon Studios says “unfortunately, a good big man is better than a good small man.” or something like that. But we all know he’s a huge advocate of strength, as well as a big guy.
