Excuse me!
An experienced Taiji practioner should be able to do well against a Wing Chung player. The fact is is that a good practioner of Taiji sholud be able to do well against a good WC practioner. Why the imbalance do you really feel that one art out does the other???
Wing Chun or Taiji Effectiveness
Originally posted by Repulsive Monkey
An experienced Taiji practioner should be able to do well against a Wing Chung player. The fact is is that a good practioner of Taiji sholud be able to do well against a good WC practioner. Why the imbalance do you really feel that one art out does the other???
I’m not sure what you’re asking, but if it’s do I believe that one art is superior to the other as a fighting art, then yes, Wing Chun is superior because it is more direct and without ineffiecient wide flourishes. However, this said, the very best Taiji can be quite effective. One other positive about Wing Chun is that anyone can learn to be dangerous within a relatively short time, while Taiji takes much more devotion from what I’ve seen and heard, and some people seem never to “get it.”
Regards,
a lot of people never “get” wing chun 
I have seen first class taiji and I have nothing but respect for it.
But more taiji people compared to wing chun folks dont know the
applications of what they do. You dont underestimate any one who has devoted much time and close attention to any good martial art BUT…wing chun “geometry” and mobility and fighting applications are richer than taiji all -other things being equal IMO.
Otherwise I would have and could have opted for taiji. Good wing chun has too many empty hand weapons.
Originally posted by TjD
a lot of people never “get” wing chun
It’s my Wing Chun goal to leave no student behind.
haha very nice 
but stlil… some people it takes 2 years, some it may take 20
i think taiji is the same
some of it depends on how good and how patient the teacher is, but a lot of it just relies on the person and how much they work
Originally posted by TjD
[B]haha very nice
i think taiji is the same
some of it depends on how good and how patient the teacher is, but a lot of it just relies on the person and how much they work [/B]
You’re right. I’m lucky to have a good Wing Chun teacher, but there seem to be so many teaching Taiji that not all are qualified. Of course, in other areas, the problem may be the reverse.
I’m not down on Taiji. I think it’s a great art and if I couldn’t find a good Wing Chun teacher, I’d be happy to study from a good Taiji teacher, that is, it’d be my second choice.
Quality of Instruction Tai Chi/Wing Chun
My Yang stylist friend has had many problems finding a school/teacher that even understands the martial applications of tai chi and how to apply them in combat. The schools are much more “Chinese Yoga” to quote from their adverts.
Having said that their are some Wing Chun schools that I know of where the teacher should not be teaching, and the “developments” he is teaching are a joke.
I think there is good and bad in every style, both for combat efficiencies, being able to apply those efficiencies, teachers and students. It always seems to come down to individuals, not styles.
Nat from UK
Teaching well and getting good(listening, practicing etc) students
–both are challenges and not very common in the martial arts and for that matter many other serious fields as well. Lots of bad math teachers have turned off people in learning math-missing the inner beauty of the field.
W.C. versus Taiji
Obviously I will opinionate my bias now by saying that is is silly to ultimately place Wing Chung as superior to Taiji. I regularly spar with 4 friends of mine who practice Wing Chun (not all at once!) and none of them get past me. One of them has been doing Wing Chung for 13 years and has travelled to Taiwan and China and studied by invitation only with some astute Masters. However my experiences tell me that sticking energy in Wing Chung is inferior to the internal arts. I have seen them fight with each other but (and I am not boasting, honestly!) but none of them have beaten me. I have also met some of their friends from around the country from others schools and I have to say Wing Chung is definitely a lot slower than Taiji.
I’m not slating Wing Chung I’m just talking from experiences, and yes just because i’ve come up against a few guys doesn’t mean that I have overcome the whole art, far from it. However from a fighting point of view I can see quite clearly that Taiji is more effective.
IF LEARNT CORRECTLY I might add!!
You are entitled to your opinion Repulsive Monkey.
All depends on what and who you run into.
My opinion is exactly the opposite of yours and also
based on observations and experience. We may be playing in different fields. I respect good taji folks- but there is no question that wing chun is the more complete art.
HMMM…
I dont really know , I like Chen Tai ji better because you can use the simple movements it attacking, but Wing CHuns footwork is also nice to…I like Chen Tai Ji in the other aspects, tough.
but Wingchun can be taught easier.
A mini cafeteria of sorts…
complete art?
I take it you know precious little of Taiji then? I’ve never heard such rubbish in all my life. I had respect for Wing Chung, but if you are a product of good Wing Chung teachings then my estimation of it, and its ego, has plumeted.
Ignorance pervades!
dre_doggX–if as you say you like taiji better what are you doing on a wing chun list?
I like wing chun better— but it would be pointless for me to go to the taichi forum and flaunt my opinion wouldnt it? Would be a bit of trolling too. Cordially, yuanfen
I respect good taji folks- but there is no question that wing chun is the more complete art.
Since I know very little about either one Yuanfen, in what way?
Rogue- I wrote a fairly comprehensive reply but KFO gremlins ate it up when I lost my server connection temporarily. So I will be brief in the second round— many more weapons(empty handed), short power, close quarters work. versatility in different conditions, footwork, faster learning curve…
But I respect top quality taiji and- know it when I see it.
Re: complete art?
Originally posted by Repulsive Monkey
[B]I take it you know precious little of Taiji then? I’ve never heard such rubbish in all my life. I had respect for Wing Chung, but if you are a product of good Wing Chung teachings then my estimation of it, and its ego, has plumeted.
Ignorance pervades! [/B]
It does and you’re not alone in it. We have a saying that “Taiji is for Wing Chun wannabees.”
Yuanfen,
If you get the time and inspiration to elaborate on WCvsTC for short power, close quarters work, versatility in different conditions, and footwork I’d appreciate it. I’ve been attending a short form group during lunch for about 4 weeks, so I’m real new to it and know just about zero. But from doing push hands and working out with some of the senior guys I was pretty impressed with their work in those areas. Never having gotten very far with WC I don’t have a reference to compare so I’d be grateful for any insights into the subject.
Rogue- I did write out some comments on the fairly long post I had keyed in. then I pressed the back button on the KFO page…
apparently I lost the server connection psossibly…POOF- the post disappeared into cyberspace. I may try to put up a follow up post later, but some more comments follow.. The taichi trollers didnt understand that I rsepect first class taiji- but the average or even above average taiji guy talks a good talk but cant do it under stress conditions. Of course they can blast you if you stand thgere and let them.The 10 years
(66-76) of the cultural revo;ution was devastating and it affected even Chen syle masters and their practice before the restoration.
Ip man wing chun emigrated to Hong kong and escaped both the
sports overlay of Chinese wushu as well as the cultural revolution- even Chen style developed timed 2 minute(?)routines for competition though the martial core in Chen village remained.Nothing
but respect for Masters Feng and CXW and his “classmates”. Top flight wing chun and some of the Hakka arts (jook lum in HK)escaped the politics. Good taichi has great timing with different kinds of push hands. But push hands results in sending people flying. People can recover their structure when pushed out.Wing Chun when well done can do that too. Very good taichi people can fajing from various positions of touch - wing chun can do that too. But wing chun follow up in reacting ro the other guys reactions in pursuing to the finish IMO is not so easy to match-
making each action count. Good wing chun is a pit bull of an art-
if a gate is open and you go in- you visit for a while.
yuanfen