[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1003873]You took the words right out of my mouth. People who want to compete go to MT, Boxing, or MMA gyms. “Most” people in TMA schools join for various reasons. Introducing them to some fighting is better than none at all.[/QUOTE]
What’s the rule-set? It might be interesting to see how MT folks would do… If in fact they have forms well.. Then they would qualify no?
I know over the years there have been some good CMA fighters in these events…
But ya know…
Even losing to a MT guy could inspire a fighter in a T/CMA to train harder…
[QUOTE=YungChun;1003866]Agreed and who wants to see fight after fight go to the ground? Not me anyway.. If they did almost none of those guys would get the chance to actually use their stuff..
If anyone has ever sparred with other Southern styles you know it can be a very interesting experience and the VT feels very much at home.. a good experience..[/QUOTE]
so what you are basically saying is that traditional styles suck at wrestling and ground fighting so lets not even bother trying to fight there?
and if they allowed the thai guys to fight i am sure one or two fights might finish standing
of course VT would feel at home against other short hand styles that basically train and fight in the same way and the same range, i would hae thought it would have been better to fight styles that are alien to it so you can properly judge its effectiveness
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1003732]Not actually singling you out in particular, these are general observations but wouldn’t it be better to test what you do against those who know what they are doing as opposed to others who might just be clueless themselves?
I was raised to think that CMA was superior to ALL and that you proved it in fights. Today I don’t necessarrily believe the hype but I do think that if you want to see where you sit on the scale you open the field up[/QUOTE]
good points whats the point in holding a competition but then limiting who can attend?
if you want to try your stuff against other styles why not invite the best along, you can always limit it to novices who have had no real fights thats the best way to level the playing field
[QUOTE=Frost;1003901]so what you are basically saying is that traditional styles suck at wrestling and ground fighting so lets not even bother trying to fight there?
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I’m sorry, which TCMA is it that is focused on or even does ground???
Or is it their take down defense you’re interested in testing?:rolleyes:
Or perhaps you were advocating BJJ folks testing their stand up game?
The point is to allow these TMA to DO what they DO which is mainly stand-up..
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and if they allowed the thai guys to fight i am sure one or two fights might finish standing
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I advocated allowing MT.
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of course VT would feel at home against other short hand styles that basically train and fight in the same way and the same range,
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So you figure most VT and other folks have tons of experience fighting other Southern CMA (or any TMA) because we all live in Southern China? LOL
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i would hae thought it would have been better to fight styles that are alien to it so you can properly judge its effectiveness
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And that is EXACTLY the point of the event as discussed here..
[QUOTE=YungChun;1003907]I’m sorry, which TCMA is it that is focused on or even does ground???
Or is it their take down defense you’re interested in testing?:rolleyes:
Or perhaps you were advocating BJJ folks testing their stand up game?
The point is to allow these TMA to DO what they DO which is mainly stand-up..:[/QUOTE]
you are probably right no point in working on that which you suck at far better to ignore the range totally
Hang on a minute I thought they already had a venue for that..whats it called again..my memory is terrible…umm oh yeah its called sanshou:cool: why not fight in an established enviroment that allows the best guys to take part?
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So you figure most VT and other folks have tons of experience fighting other Southern CMA (or any TMA) because we all live in Southern China? LOL:[/QUOTE]
nope i figure that since most southern systems are largely either alike or designed to fight one another then letting in styles that are alien might be an idea, you know one that doesn’t include the centre line, doesn’t believe in the bridge or use floating sinking spitting etc and doesn’t play sticking hands might be an idea but hey who I am to make such radical suggestions :rolleyes:
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And that is EXACTLY the point of the event as discussed here..[/QUOTE]
nope the point of this event seems to be lets ban people that might actually be able to fight and only let those that can perform a form join in but hey thats cool:)
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you are probably right no point in working on that which you suck at far better to ignore the range totally
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Hyperbolic nonsense..
Nothing wrong with stand-up events…sorry..
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Hang on a minute I thought they already had a venue for that..whats it called again..my memory is terrible…umm oh yeah its called sanshou:cool: why not fight in an established enviroment that allows the best guys to take part?
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Why not just let these folks enjoy their event for what it is???
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nope i figure that since most southern systems are largely either alike or designed to fight one another then letting in styles that are alien might be an idea, you know one that doesn’t include the centre line, doesn’t believe in the bridge or use floating sinking spitting etc and doesn’t play sticking hands might be an idea but hey who I am to make such radical suggestions :rolleyes:
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You are entitled to your opinion but I disagree..
The fact is that most of these folks or many of them have no such experience and so doing it will be just as new and valid as anything else. Moreover, folks from many styles are represented–a very diverse environment, which is a great thing. And as I said I don’t see why MT should not be allowed, but that’s their call.
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nope the point of this event seems to be lets ban people that might actually be able to fight and only let those that can perform a form join in but hey thats cool:)[/QUOTE]
No the idea is to give those folks a venue to step into… These kinds of events are great learning opportunities for many despite the negative spin you give it.
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Hang on a minute I thought they already had a venue for that..whats it called again..my memory is terrible…umm oh yeah its called sanshou:cool: why not fight in an established enviroment that allows the best guys to take part? . . . .[/QUOTE]
We do just that at our NJ school.
Our guys compete in the international Lei Tai events.
Our guys did ok. The Moy Yat guys from Philly really shined.
I have to go to rehearsal for the play now but I’ll post more clips later on tonight. There were lots of good fights.
Phil
Phil, not wanting to make you upset or anything, but this all looked like an effort at MMA like I see on TV. But, this is understandable as this is what happens when you go into a sport fighting mode with any form of MA. It happens every time, and this time is no different.
Of course that only 3 clips and not enough to speak for the entire event. Post some good stuff when you get loose.
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1005070]Phil, not wanting to make you upset or anything, but this all looked like an effort at MMA like I see on TV. But, this is understandable as this is what happens when you go into a sport fighting mode with any form of MA. It happens every time, and this time is no different.
Of course that only 3 clips and not enough to speak for the entire event. Post some good stuff when you get loose.[/QUOTE]
Why would I get upset? .
You do what you can when someone is trying to take your head off. They’re amateurs but at least they’re fighting and learning from their fights. I personally didn’t expect to see perfectly choreographed kung fu movie techniques. Even pros don’t always pull off perfect techniques, especially under pressure. I can say that the taekwondo and karate guys looked like what they do in class.
Our guys did ok. The Moy Yat guys from Philly really shined.
I have to go to rehearsal for the play now but I’ll post more clips later on tonight. There were lots of good fights.
Phil[/QUOTE]
thanks phil some nice stuff in the first fight, black lad has some nice takedowns, white lad some nice escapes but neither looked like they knew how to hold position on the ground. Some nice stand up, black lad had his hands a little low and paid for this when he ate that head kick lol.
What were the rules? they seemed at allow some ground work but break it up at odd times, like when mounted or when the guy had his back standing?
As for the heavyweights that was terrible lol neither looked like they had been hit before had terrible conditioning and both kept turning away and walking off when hit.
[QUOTE=Frost;1005106]thanks phil some nice stuff in the first fight, black lad has some nice takedowns, white lad some nice escapes but neither looked like they knew how to hold position on the ground. Some nice stand up, black lad had his hands a little low and paid for this when he ate that head kick lol.
What were the rules? they seemed at allow some ground work but break it up at odd times, like when mounted or when the guy had his back standing?
As for the heavyweights that was terrible lol neither looked like they had been hit before had terrible conditioning and both kept turning away and walking off when hit.[/QUOTE]
I agree with everything you said. The guys are obviously new at this. Hopefully they will learn from their experiences. I also agree that it’s difficult to maintain a “traditional” look in these events.
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What were the rules? they seemed at allow some ground work but break it up at odd times, like when mounted or when the guy had his back standing? . . . .[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I for got to answer this in my previous post. There was a 10 second grappling rule. If you started out grappling while standing you had 10 seconds to do something unless you both went to the ground then you had 10 more seconds. After that the ref would break you apart.
Yeah, I know you’re going to say where is the textbook WC but at least they are fighting unlike most of the critics who never competed. This comment isn’t for those who have competed. You people know that you try to pull off what you can under pressure. Those who haven’t competed and have only "sparred in the “comfort zone” of student/friends/classmates, etc., will never understand. And yes, I know I competed back in the 70’s and 80’s, and early 90’s. But at least I did test what I was doing. So I do know a “little” bit about competing. I didn’t really get to train the two TWC guys who fought. I didn’t really see what I expected from the students who trained at Keith Mazza’s school. I will have hands on for the next fights in July though.
