Has anyone seen or heard about the new Wing Chun Compulsory Form?
could you please elaborate?
where did you hear of such a thing?
Compulsory forms
Sounds like Sunny Tang’s form which is being pushed as an Olympic like form for that level of competition.
The performance of the Wing Chun training forms is BAD enough already without a new form. That is to say looking at video of many of the current “masters” you see very little ground path connection, no whole body connection and lots of use of upper body strength. On those without the upper body development you just see sloppy movement.
This is one more step down the path of Wing Chun losing its edge. Leave the competition forms for wushu. If you want to do forms, just do THE FORMS, but do them like your life depended on them.
compulsory form
I’ve seen it here in Toronto. It’s an amalgamation of all the Wing Chun Forms.
New Compulsory Form…
I heard about it, then I saw it performed… As you said: “It’s an amalgamation of all the Wing Chun Forms.”
I simply wonder about the purpose and motivations behind this new development in wc history…
ST
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compulsory form
Silent Thunder,
Where did you see it performed, and by whom?
WhippingHand…
Why the question? Show me yours and I’ll show you mine 
ST
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Silent Thunder
What exactly are you asking me?
Whipping Hand
I was just taken by surprise by the directness of your question and its purpose. But coming from a wc guy, I should have know better
To indulge your query, i saw it done here in ottawa by a sunnytang student.
ST
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ive heard of Compulsory forms they are siu lim tao,chum kiu, biu jee,dummy,knives and pole and i thought we already had it 
Not really it…
Benny, those are the ONLY forms in wc. The compulsory form WH is referring to is a “made-up” form composed of movements found in all the forms you mentioned.
Whipping Hand, since you started this thread, maybe you can explain to everybody here who created this “compulsory form” and why.
ST
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those are the only forms in yip mans lineage
Keep in mind that the Sil lim tao, chum kil, bil jee, Muk yang jong, Baat cham do, and the Long pole forms are the only forms in YIP MAN’S lineage of wing chun. There are other lineages of wing chun that contain other forms, and even different methods to some of the forms that share the same name. Just thought I would point that out being that there are beginners here too.
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Good point Vankuen. The YM lineage is so dominant (ie spread) in north america, we sometimes forget there are other lineages just as valid.
Maybe WhippingHand could answer this: Is this new “compulsory form” supposed to include or represent ALL wc lineages?
ST
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I have known two sifu(Yip Man lineage) who had created a “modified” form! It seems it is a rather common practice when they want to leave their trace or signature in the system. We could question their motives for creating a form when it is not needed in the first place.I guess human nature is like that! :rolleyes:
Who & why…
To answer Silent Thunder’s questions…
I don’t quite know for sure, I can only speculate. Sunny Tang created it. Why? That’s a question I’ve been asking myself. But it has something to do with being able to compete with it. So that, when competing, there’s no bias between the different lineages. In other words, a competitor can’t be docked marks because he does movements differently. The form is the form, just like in wushu, the movements are done the same by everyone, the sequence is the same too. Does it include all WC lineages? Just from seeing it, no. It looks very “Sunny Tangish”.
A little off topic. Somewhere I read that Wing Chun only had 1 Empty Hand Form. Which consisted of Shil Lim Tao, Chum Kil, and Bil Jee combined. They were all done as we do them today, but without stopping between each one. Has anyone else heard something about this? Does this sound feasible?
John
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The sportification of judo, boxing, wingchun…
Thank you WH.
I was excited when I first heard about it simply for the fact that it was a new development in wc. But, as I reflected more on this, I am not sure anymore it is such a positive change. If the goal is to standardize the forms to have international competions or even make it an olympic discipline, then the martial art becomes a sport. Just like what happened for judo and tkd. Even if only for the sake of international, inter-lineages forms competitions. Who will be at an advantage? Surely the ones who studied under the guy who created the new form. They are the ones who have to adapt the least.
I speak out of ignorance as I do not know SunnyTang’s motives. But they seem to be more linked to promoting his own competition (the bigger the competition, the bigger the profits!) than to preserve the quality of his art intact for the next generations. But then again, what do I know?
Competitions can be fun. Especially if you are young and win the big trophies like I used to. But I wouldn’t change a thing to my forms or fighting style to adapt for competition. That is the first mistake a martial artist will make. Concentrate on your traditional training. Knowledgeable judges will see the difference and appreciate the quality of a traditional form. But the quality of many “qualified” judges at most competitions is a whole other debate, lol. I am getting farther and farther from the subject here…
ChumKil: It’s just a semantic misunderstanding. There are 3 distinct empty hand form in wc (YM lineage). Though they are 3 distinct forms, I always do them one after the other without interruption so, to the neophyte’s eyes, it looks like only 1 form.
ST
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Chum Kil … I was taught that originally there was only one form as you described. We learn them as three forms, but after we have learned them we do them as one continuous form.
Highlander
If you don’t mind me asking, which lineage do you practice? What I read was when Wing Chun was first being taught there was only 1 Empty Hand Form. I guess as time went by people broke it down into 3. How was it explained to you? Please share some enlightenment. I’m always intrigued by other’s stories of Wing Chun. Instead of my lineage is better than yours, mine is the true lineage and all that crap.
John
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Have much and be confused.