I saw this gif on the website of Traditional Wing Chun Kung Fu LA chapter. Now I don’t really watch UFC nor do I train under sifu Cheung’s organization–but does it remind you a “certain” bjj shoot-in tactic? Or am I just deluded?
As far as I know about W.Cheung’s method,It is what he calls an “entry technique”
I remember seeing Royce Gracie use the same move to close in on opponents!..Is it W.C.?..Is it BJJ?..Who knows! :rolleyes:
This gif shows Sigung Cheung performing an entry technique on a student. This move is probably the signature move of Cheung’s ‘traditional’ WC (TWC), and it is the foundation of many of the user’s techniques.
The idea is to close quickly and suddenly on an opponent, keeping yourself covered up with the upraised leg and the hands. performed correctly, the movement usually involved a quick close straight forward, and then a last minute veering off to one side to capture the blind side.
As far as I can ascertain, the entry technique has been taught by Sigung since at least the late seventies, well before the emergence of bjj as a popular martial arts form.
It looks a little rediculous sometimes, but it works a treat
I always wonder if it really works; guess it does. Better work on my entry tactics more…
That gif had been on that website for a while and I had thought that leg is a real kick. The purpose of the quick raise of the leg, is it more for moving forward w/ a big step, a feint, or more of both? I would imagine for tkdists, the leg is more of a feint w/o forward pressure (not a tkdist myself, but based on watching my friend the tkd bb).
I’m sitting here trying to explain the entry technique without actually being able to show you!! The leg is brought up as a check, and forward movement is made without telegraphing.
Some people use the leg as a feint, but it’s primary use is as a cover for possible front kicks during entry. you don’t really use it too much for the movement, as a large movement of the leg forward tends to telegraph the technique slightly.
As to the forward movement itself, it is a little difficult to explain, as it depends on what you intend to do as you enter. The depth of entry of the technique varies, as does the angle of the ‘off center-line’ movement.
I’ve just read back over this post, and it is unbelievably confusing. I don’t know if I can explain this any better without showing you!!
Although I am Sifu Emin Boztepe’s student
and I do not consider William Chueng
my Sigung the past is the past,water under the bridge as far as I’m concerned.
Our Wingtsun is somewhat different than
William’s but we all come from Yip Man.
What I see here appears to be the universal
WT/WC/VT response to any attack,weather it
be a grappler,wrestler,boxer,karate man, ect.
Thats to advance with hand and foot.
So that being said,William is doing Wing Chun!!
Not even a hint of bjj!!
I’ve never met William Chueng,he might be a nice guy!,not my place to judge him,this may sound strange coming from a WT stylest but what we have here is CMA(WT/WC/VT) basic concepts,give
credit where credit is due..
Good luck wit your training WC guys!!
what happens if the person suddenly steps back and then in you would be way on the back foot with no space to move. jumping on one leg. pogo wing chun. i think he got confused wirth the saying" if you kick you step" wich means simply that if you need to kick then usually you use the kick as the step( most times if you kick you need to step to hit, range etc)
I think William Cheung’s entry technique is quite interesting and could definitely work if given the right opportunity. I believe it is still Wing Chun and not BJJ. We do something similar in our school to both cover and gain in on an opponent. A bong gerk and a kwan sau together. It’s the first technique on our website at www.geocities.com/wingchunschoolnyc
Yes, that website, I do recall seeing similar techniques on your site (in the “techniques page”). My impression was that it’s suppose to develop into a kick (still am a beginer in wc).
Do other wc/wt/vt schools use this as an entry tech/tactic?
greedy,
Thanks for the explanation…, I can somehow visulize it. IMO, as the leg lifts, the opponent, not knowing the technique, can be fooled thinking it’s some kind of front kick (I know I was “fooled”).
tnwingtsun,
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If I understand your post correctly (and I may have misunderstood), I think you aren’t visualizing the technique correctly. The purpose of lifting the front leg is to cover against a possible kick from the opponent (from what I see, it allows for one to more easily apply the stop kick, especially since one is moving closer to the opponent). It is not a jump, hop, or dramatic movement forward. If the opponent backs up (which is very possible), then one need simply to keep moving forward.
Remember I asked you If your school was related to W.Cheung?..I was aware of this technique by W.Cheung and when I saw your video about the kwan sau with the leg raised I thought it was the same idea!..It was just a coincidence.
between william cheung and leung sheung, our wing chun are very different. i do know how to appreciate a good wing chun teacher when i see one. william cheung is an owesome fighter, some of my sihings had a chance to meet him during the 80’s.
personally i’d like to know if william cheung has any wing chun connection in china besides yip man’s wing chun family. just curious!
Looking at it again, Cheung could catch one right in the nuts if the opponent was a descent kicker. I’d use that technique more up the middle than off to the side, but still a good one.
the point of proper steping is not only to protect you against kicks but you should always be able to kick no matter what you are doing. if the bloke jams, your on one foot. not good Ving
tsun.
i have an old wc student at training and i know what the techniques is as when he first started he tryed it.
A bit different from William Cheung’s entry technique.
I’m sure that William Cheung has a very good reason for doing things his way. What we do is pretty different and I would’nt really consider it an “entry technique”.
Our technique is usually done with the arms in a kwan sau position and the leg covering the centerline with the option of doing a thrust kick. The weight of your body should be moving foward slightly as to maintain balance and give you better leverage in case you get jammed. Remember you’re not just picking up your leg and freezing in the position either - you are constantly in motion moving towards your opponent. There are many different uses for this technique. If your opponent should fade back, you have a choice of either advancing still with the other leg up in a defensive nature (or kicking) till you close the distance, or stopping there and waiting for the opponent to come close enough for you to execute it again (or do something else). I am in no way claiming that this is the best technique on the planet, or that it will work for everyone. Nothing works without lots of practice and a good understanding of the application of the technique itself.
Rogue: What the picture doesn’t show is that the knee actually covers the centreline, meaning that any straight-line kick aimed for the nuts should slide along the outside of the thigh of the upraised leg.
Not to pick the scab from old wounds, but let us not forget that as William Cheung tried this entry on Dai-Sifu Emin Boztepe, Emin caught his leg and tossed him to the ground, which is exactly the weakness I see in such an entry.
You’re much better off closing with an actual kick as opposed to simply raising your leg.
Better work on my entry tactics more…
