What responses!! After wading through the crap, it is obvious that some people only read the subject heading and ignore the rest of the post; and some people seem to be able to talk a lot on something they have no idea about.
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Before anyone brands me a WC traitor or attempts to guide me down the One True Path to Eternal Happiness, let me just say that WC is my main art which I don’t intend to lose. But because I now live in Osaka, there aren’t any WC schools I can join. There are however lots of Japanese arts available. As someone said, doing something is better than sitting an your ass. As aikido shares similar principles to WC, I am asking people who HAVE EXPERIENCE in both arts. If it complements WC, then perfect I’ll join tomorrow. If it affects it adversely, I might still join but try to blend it with WC in some way. Old habits die hard, but WC habits are good habits.
She offered her honour,
I honoured her offer;
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They both attack the opponent’s center of gravity and balance. They both use rooting, alignment of external vector forces, connection with the opponent’s center, refined sensitivity, and the body’s lines and circles to generate and neutralize force.
the assiistant instructor at my school did jodo and akido for a lone time before he started wing chun, he has been doining wing chun for 9 years now. i’ve been doing wc for 6, and he integrates them both so well. he still flips me all over the place. akido is good for your spirit, becomeing a better human being is the purpose of all good martial arts training, so i say go for it.
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Aikido and WC differ in a basic way. WC teaches you to attack the centerline. Aikido teaches to avoid and “get off the line”. Aikido is more circular, whereas WC is straight/angling. They both seek to be soft and not utilize force vs. force. If you decide to learn Aikido you will learn wrist arts, for control and submissions. You will also learn how to tumble and fall in any direction. These 2 things are what I took with me from 2.5 yrs in Aikido. However, WC is so fast that it is nearly impossible for me to use any of the wrist arts on any of my sihing. WC just attacks differently. But, since you are in Japan, perhaps you can find a harder style which trains with strikes(atemi).
Given that you’re already experienced with WC, Adhesive Carpals, then you should be able to practice aikido and integrate it with your WC without losing your WC. Both arts are concerned, nay obsessed, with the opponent’s center. I’ve practiced aikido, but am just a beginner in WC. Already I’ve found some congruence between aikido’s irimi (entering) techniques and WC. Aikido also practices footwork to get off the angle of attack like WC (aikido takes the steps farther to move around the attacker in tenkan or blending techniques).
Additionally, you might find WC improving your atemi or striking techniques, which are woefully underpracticed in most aikido schools but which are often necessary to distract or stun the opponent before applying the hold.
Depending on the length of time that you’re in Japan, you might want to consider a Daito-ryu aikijujutsu school (Daito-ryu is perhaps the major root influence on the martial techniques of aikido). Inquire on the e-budo.com discussion board for the whereabouts of a good instructor/school near you (you might have to travel for Daito-ryu).
WC teaches you to fight aggressively and sometimes viciously. Aikido teaches you not to fight but to blend in harmony. IMHO you will “undo” your WC training if you begin to train in Aikido. But it’s better than doing no MA at all. So…??
Much better replies since my last post. The reasons why I’m attracted to aikido is that avoids using force and strength- quite a difference to the other Japanese arts. The dojo also caters to gaijin (foreigners) because there are classes in the mornings. Most gaijin are English teachers and usually work until 9pm so they can’t attend the evening classes. There is also a shorinji kempo dojo near my place. I don’t know anything about that artexcept that they also punch with a vertical fist. Probably not in the same way as WC though. Kung fu cowboy- can u tell me more about it?
I’m also contemplating jujitsu but haven’t found a dojo close by yet. Decisions, decisions
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Shadowboxer, you sure you know what you are talking about?
“IMHO you will “undo” your WC training if you begin to train in Aikido.”
Aikido can aid some of Wing Chun’s missing gaps. Also gives you a different perspective so you can know what to do if against an Aikidoka. Aikido can help you break your fall if someone keeps throwing you around. Also reverse throws being applied, with some additional Chin-Na to your Wing Chun.
"WC teaches you to fight aggressively and sometimes viciously. "
Says who?? You teach yourself to fight agressively, the art teaches you to fight.
What is a tree without it’s roots? What is a martial art without its basics?
Yes, I know what I’m talking about. In a previous post, I said the 2 things I took from Aikido training was the wrist arts (Chin Na) and tumbling. No one should be throwing you if your WC is there. By aggressively/viciously, I mean controlling the center line, chain punches, eye jabs,neck breaks,groin kicks, arm/leg breaks,attacking the neck,etc. None of this is in Aikido. Sticky Fingers will be training new responses. This is why I said he will undo his WC training, although he will notice some borrowed WC techniques. Try to find a Daito-ryu school if you can, as I believe they are a harder style with battlefield techniques still in the system.
Different lineage, different focus. My bad, Shadowboxer. My instructor teaches me Daito Ryu
Aikibudo too, but he incorporates it into Aikido as the main art.
“No one should be throwing you if your WC is there.”
You wanta bet? Also, I want to note you said NO ONE.
“By aggressively/viciously, I mean controlling the center line, chain punches, eye jabs,neck breaks,groin kicks, arm/leg breaks,attacking the neck,etc.”
I understand what you mean, but I also believe that Wing Chun does not have a focus on “breaking” in particular. Wing Chun is not an art that relies on the initial damage of the attack. Rather than to do attacks continually to break your opponent pyscologically ( I can’t spell this)… as you advance on him closer and closer with each attack then he starts backing up you step up some more, and continued. Tell me what you have to think of this. (This has nothing to do with anything, but you were on the topic of what Wing Chun does to an opponent so I brought it up)
What is a tree without it’s roots? What is a martial art without its basics?
Aikido also attacks the centerline, but not necessarily with the same methods used in WC (although there is some overlap). You cannot throw someone or joint lock them without first connecting to their center.
