Why I really quit martial arts:I've just had it explained to me.

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I find it strange that this person was talking to me when I wasn’t even there.:eek:

Check out the rest of the site of this pathetic little cultist, uhhh I mean SCARS professional, to find out why your art doesn’t work!

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From: KUNGFOOLSS Oct-8 10:59 pm
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293.1

Predictable… Kungfoolss
(M/Sunny Hawaii) 10/8/02 7:51pm

rogue
Grand Pooba

Quitting martial arts.
OK, As of tonight I can’t think of a reason to stay with the martial arts in a formal way. In other words paying for training.

  1. Self defense: After several years of martial arts I know enough to handle myself in the street against most.

KFss- This is the danger of the martial arts, it gives a false impression of confidence. My partner brings this subject up quite regularly when he discusses the validity of the stylistic arts. One example he loves sighting is how women he has spoken to take a TMA or even tae bo (Billy Blanks, my partners former instructor), and are filled with a false confidence resulting from the deluge of propaganda they receive from their undereducated martial arts instructor. After training in the SCARS system, he now realizes the fallacy of the arts, he’s actually worse than me, he openly mocks the stylistic arts in public, being a considerate man, I am a bit reserved unless otherwise asked.

In addition, the very concept of defensive will always crumble under the onslaught of a offensive fighting structure; and it is not necessarily SCARS related, just an individual that attacks rather than defends himself from harm.

rogue
Grand Pooba

Quitting martial arts.
2. Health and fitness: I get a better workout by hitting the gym and doing my usual routine.

KFss- The martial arts exercise are little more than overglorified calisthenics, many intended for unnatural fighting aspects of the art, such as, bruce lee kicks above the chin and flying kicks.

rogue
Grand Pooba

Quitting martial arts.
3. Comptition: I don’t have the time to dedicate to compete in the ring.

KFss- Why in the world would you want to? Sparring is a complete wasteful venture, you learn nothing expect bad habits in fighting mechanics and it is simply dangerous because both stylists are lashing out in speed fueled by fear.

rogue
Grand Pooba

Quitting martial arts.

  1. Fun: It stopped being fun about two weeks ago. Suddenly sparring is more of a chore than the joy it used to be.

KFss- Again, sparring teaches little, you can’t safely perform high coordinational movements or lethal sequences. Only the retarded find value in playing an adult version of tag.

rogue
Grand Pooba

Quitting martial arts.
5. Sense of accomplishment: Learning another form and a handful of techniques for a belt just seems silly to me at the moment.

KFss- THANK YOU! You hit it right on the money Rogue, forms/katas, or as I prefer to call it, idiotic ceremonial dance routines coupled with some worthless techniques, doesn’t make a proficient fighter, let alone a professional one. At least someone gets it and is honest enough with himself to state the truth, that my fellow members, takes courage.

rogue
Grand Pooba

Quitting martial arts.
I think I’m going to take a break from class and just do what I want, when I want and visit some other schools. I guess I’ve hit burn out.

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From: KUNGFOOLSS Oct-9 9:29 am
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Kungfoolss, proven right again by the stylists themselves… Kungfoolss
(M/Sunny Hawaii) 10/8/02 7:51pm

Recapping->

KFss- Why in the world would you want to? Sparring is a complete wasteful venture, you learn nothing expect bad habits in fighting mechanics and it is simply dangerous because both stylists are lashing out in speed fueled by fear.

KFss- Again, sparring teaches little, you can’t safely perform high coordinational movements or lethal sequences. Only the retarded find value in playing an adult version of tag.

fa_jing

I was thinking of quitting last night
Since I got rocked 2 weeks ago, I felt little effect after a couple days. But Sunday night, I did some very light sparring. That was enough to give me headaches and make me start feeling out of it. Now I feel wierd and part of my scalp tingles from time to time. Clearly sparring is out for 6 weeks or more. I’m in this for longevity, among other things.

Yet it is essentially a violent practice, I mean equivalent to tackle football, hockey, etc. Some guy just came out with a book on having a healthy brain, and he advises to avoid head trauma like the plague. Some studies show that a large percentage of Alzheimers patients have a history of head trauma. My grandfather suffered from Alzheimer’s.
And MA is awfully expensive for my limited means.

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From: KUNGFOOLSS Oct-9 9:55 am
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293.3 in reply to 293.2

Kungfoolss, proven right again by the stylists themselves…2 Kungfoolss
(M/Sunny Hawaii) 10/9/02 6:51am

KFss- What the stylist is actually implying is that he knows he can’t possibly learn anything of value from his continuing loyalty to his bumbling master, this is similar to a dead-end job. When advancement is no longer practical, you must abandon that fruitless path. Sadly, this is the common variable for all martial arts, each are limited to their insight and knowledge, this is the reason the arts are often renounced.

When you contrast this with SCARS, one can never truly tire of the SCARS system. The learning is never ending and ever evolving. With intellectual application and a motivation for improvement, the SCARS participant can easily exceed the expectations of even the SCARS founder himself. Whereas the stylistic arts impose limitations on knowledge for their own self-serving reasons or out of sheer ignorance, the SCARS system cannot be bound by any restrictions, the laws of science will not allow it.

HuangKaiVun
Senior Member

I’ve been following your posts for quite some time, rogue.

I think that you NEED to get away from class.

As a professional martial arts instructor, I recognize when people get to a point where I as a teacher cannot take them any further. After a while, one must go his own way.

In your case, I wouldn’t even suggest private lessons. You really KNOW your style - there’s little a teacher can show you.
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KFss- Why in the world would you want to? Sparring is a complete wasteful venture, you learn nothing expect bad habits in fighting mechanics and it is simply dangerous because both stylists are lashing out in speed fueled by fear.

ROTFLMAO!!! Bwahahahahahaahah!

:smiley: Well I was a bit in a bad mood from too much thinking of the “bad entertainment” thread, but this brought me back to my old humorous self! Thanks, guys.

Ryu

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he can’t really believe what he’s posting…can he? Who is that guy?

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Oh, Ryu went ahead of me and posted what I already had copied…

That piece us the BEST part of the thread…it opens new grounds..he’s a GOD…

Of course…Royce would choke him and the whole thread!

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Hah. Striking and blocking are BOTH feuled by fear. If somebody is coming at you, you’ll react out of fear. Call it blocking, striking, or underflugenberhen. You’re doing it out of fear.

Man, this is a freaky thing, here. Why is this guy so obsessed with ma’s? I think he’s taken the idea of being offensive and not defensive a bit far.

A group of people who get together to talk about how much they hate something that isn’t really hurting them. That can’t be healthy.

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I think it’s called “Pulling yourself up by pushing others down”. If you can’t find something good to say about your art, you could always bash someone else’s. What a *******.

edit: okay, the censorship here is getting just a bit silly.

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While I disagree with rogue’s opinion, it is understandable. If your training doesn’t provide you with anything you couldn’t get on your own, why pay.

The problem is that rogue has given up on finding a school where he can actually learn something valuable. It is understandable because, in my opinion, less than 1% of the schools in the U.S. have anything of value to offer.

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Yeah,

And everyone on KFO is part of one of that 1% of schools. This forum is truly a statistical anomaly.

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Re: Yeah,

Originally posted by dwid
And everyone on KFO is part of one of that 1% of schools. This forum is truly a statistical anomaly.

LOL

BSH, i don’t think that’s the problem. rogue’s simply burned out. that happens.

stuart b.

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“Sparring is an adult game of tag”

Maybe if you do taekwondo, the sparring will be a game of tag.

In muay thai we spar hard to full contact. You can’t learn to fight without sparring. Can you imagine a wrestler who never spars? How good would they be?

I agree that the light contact “tag sparring” is worthless. But there are different kinds of sparring. Wrestling doesn’t even strike when they spar at all but it is still great sparring. As long as your really trying to execute the moves on each other and not holing back when you do it. A real double leg is executed in sparring just like you would in a real fight.

Drill techniques to learn them. Then spar with the techniques to learn how to apply them in real time.

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Allright.Another ultimate better-than-yours style.
I´ve heard good stuff about SCARS though but this is ridiculous.
Always the same old pummeling and ramming the “best style” to your face.
I´m sure TMA ppl have respect for other ppl,how about vice versa?
That TMA pounding especially,is very interesting.
If based on steel hard superiority I guess one could,under some circumstances,to jump on styles with roots…
Simply pointing fingers at other styles with little intellectual sense and without actually telling what´s so strong about the other (name perhaps?) and then mocking the other (which actually has what “better” ones already do,and a lot more)
“Hey,we erased some of the old,laughed at it and made up this new”

:cool:

BTW,Kata-as in the old days,is no dance.
It includes tons of self-defense application,qi-gong and atemi-waza knowledge…
Some of old kata has been lost and in sport/competition,kata is more like a dance but that´s for that.
And oh yeah,they have practiced it since the old days,and there are reasons…
As far as I know,this seems to be one of those few things that TMA pounders like to rely on,as reasonable as it sounds.

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Yup, I think you need to realzie there’s different types of sparring.

You could even consider fighting in the street as a type of sparring.

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Sell Pitch

Why am I having a feeling this guy is hard selling SCARS which looks to me like yet other incarnations of JKD?

Frankly, I am tire of people keep saying about style of no style. It’s so darn 70s passé. Please give me a sell pitch of the 2000s or give me some peace and quite.

BTW, what is wrong to start with a style as long as you evolve with it? Anyone who has been in the arts long enough knows and understand that. Martial Arts Displines Nomadism is fine by me but I much prefer to have a home to go to. These Neo self defense deliverance/Post Mixed Martial Arts Messianism preachers just keep coming by the bushel. Sigh

Mantis108

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Hell, you could convince me beyond a shadow of a doubt that SCARS is the best, most deadly…what, it’s not a martial art, it’s an ‘offensive system’ or some such nonsense. We have some sort of L.Ron Hubbard new vocabulary creation going on here. But, anyway, it could be the best possible way to defend yourself, bar none.

I’d still say this guy is an incredably sad character.

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The problem is that rogue has given up on finding a school where he can actually learn something valuable. It is understandable because, in my opinion, less than 1% of the schools in the U.S. have anything of value to offer.
No offense, but please don’t tell me what I’m doing or not doing.

Maybe if you do taekwondo, the sparring will be a game of tag.

In muay thai we spar hard to full contact. You can’t learn to fight without sparring. Can you imagine a wrestler who never spars? How good would they be?
It is TKD and we do spar hard without any gear except a cup. One reason the sparring stopped being fun is I was injuring people and I was getting injured too frequently. After sparring this way for about 3 years I know I can take damage and still keep on fighting, and lately I’ve learned that I can do enough damage to someone to make them quit a fight. There’s a price to pay for trying to keep ones training somewhat real, both physically and emotionally, and the price was getting too high.

Did you guys find the reference to fa_jings drumming thread on the site? The guy used to post here as kungfulz if memory serves me.

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rogue,

well, at least you know where you sit now. i guess it’s back to professional line dancing for you? :wink:

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This guy hasn’t been in fight since he left high school.
“lashing out with speed fuelled by fear”, um, that’s how fights tend to go.
Yet another of these sad losers who seem to think that everyone who faces you in the street is going to be some highly skilled and experienced streetfighting ninja killer.
OK, I will say again, I have successfully defended myself from serious assault on more than one occasion. I have always used traditional techniques (often lifted straight from forms). I have kicked above the waist with the desired effect and would do so again if the situation called for it. I have sparred in just about everyway imaginable (including groundfighting with a 5 animals guy where I finished looking like Bruce Lee at the end of Enter the Dragon).
I think it’s great that these guys don’t spar. It’s always nice to go up against someone who has no experience of being hit and doesn’t know how to find their range, fend off an onrushing opponent or use their body up close.

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Aaah, Kungfolss and SCARS.

Seen him ranting and raving for a few years now.

Keeps telling us that TMA is all rubbish, yadda, yadda …

Rogue:

Simply get out of that forum, KF will hit you from now on wenever you post there or any other forum that he is part of.

Seen it happen before, if he is moderator on that forum you can expect to have your posts removed, be banned, etc.

Cheers.

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B b b b b but I’ve never posted on his pathetic forum
! :eek: He steals threads from places and comments on them. The guy is such a panty waste that he doesn’t even confront the people on the very forums he’s getting his fodder from.

On the other hand his ramblings are really funny. I wonder if he talks to Jerry Peterson while watching his SCARS tapes?:smiley:

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if thats all you put into your martial art, or all your art offered then you have gained nothing and lost nothing.

you did TKD right? Thats like a fish stick compared to a well prepared salmon.

For me, I can’t quit…I am kung fu. Its in my blood, in my breath. I cut back, but not to the detriment of my skills. I’m always moving forward.