this debate is of the utmost importance though:D
Wow, this thread has been hijacked, but I’m not complaining. 
Gentlemen, gentlemen, we cna all agree that the female form is a thing of beauty and while some of us my prefer a succulent gluteus maximus and others a more sublime one and even others may have preferences for the pectoras majorus.
We can all agree and admire the many fine qualities of the fairer species.
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[QUOTE=Graham H;1066624]…I think I missed something…oh yeah…The Kuen Kuit is BS. I personally wouldn’t wipe my bot bot with it and that is coming from a person who used to memorize it and use its words frequently. That is until I found something out about The Kuen Sh1t that you stupids do not know.[/QUOTE]Yet David Peterson has said “lat sau jik chung” is the essence of WSLVT. BS or not?
[QUOTE=CFT;1066866]Yet David Peterson has said “lat sau jik chung” is the essence of WSLVT. BS or not?[/QUOTE]
LSJC is the essence of Ving Tsun!!!
When did I say it wasn’t??? I suppose you mean because I said The Kuen Kuit was BS and LSJC is in the Kuen Kuit and so on and so on anndddd…yawwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
GH
http://www.kwokwingchun.co.uk/2009/3/12/ip-man-code-of-conduct
THIS is what unites all Wing Chun practitioners!
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1066619]It’s also my opinion. I once mentioned this to someone and they said I watched too many Kung Fu movies. My reply was that I learned “Esprit Du Corps” and honor as a Marine before I knew what Kung Fu was. Even street people understand that no one wants to be dissed. Men should talk to each as they would want someone to talk to them.[/QUOTE]
Then again, good pics are something I enjoy too sometimes 
But we even have disagreements about a$$ 
THIS is what unites all Wing Chun practitioners!
Not me. I don’t need a list by some dead guy to tell me how to behave.
An alternative medicine view of why WCK people like to bash:
From AlanOrr.com:
AN INTERVIEW WITH ROBERT CHU SIFU - by Alan Orr
First published in UK Martial Arts Illustrated May 2001
http://www.alanorr.com/htdocs/articles/sigunginterview.html
AO: Since we’re talking about forms, as a Chinese medical practitioner, you’ve explained a lot about Siu Nim Tao training and some of the pros and cons. You’ve said that if it’s done in an overly static manner, this will cause stagnation?
RC: The theory of Chinese medicine says that the Chi must flow normally - so if the Chi doesn’t flow, it’s impeded. The liver governs the chi flow through the body. We often see cases of liver Chi stagnation - when the body is very rigid and a practitioner is wrongly just using the shoulders to issue force. There becomes a lot of stagnation in the shoulder area, and the Gall Bladder 21 point has a tendency to be rigid, along with the other gall bladder points in the area. People also practice incorrectly when they tend to be very rigid in their stances - their knees are locked, and their feet are internally rotated 45 degrees, and the person is sitting in a stiff, locked stance. That method of training causes stagnation of Chi and blood. The theory of Chinese medicine, is that that method is not very healthy - the Chi must always move - if the Chi doesn’t move, it gets stagnated. If it gets stagnated, then it can cause the Liver Yang Chi to rise. You see a lot of incidents in Wing Chun where people have the syndrome of Liver Yang Chi rising. You see signs and symptoms such as red eyes, bad temper, red face, a person feels very uncomfortable or irritable, they have a tendency to shout, and have an aggressive attitude and so on. I see a lot of Wing Chun people being very aggressive and egotistical. I don’t think it’s just the normal fighting spirit of a martial artist, what I see happening is that their normal practice is causing them to be hyperactive in the Liver Yang or the Liver Chi causing them to be mentally or emotionally unbalanced.
[QUOTE=anerlich;1066942]Not me. I don’t need a list by some dead guy to tell me how to behave.[/QUOTE]
on a serious note i dont think the wc guys bash each other more than most. I recall someone on here claiming something to the like of " you dont see mt practioners carry on like this"
Over the past months ive been on the sherdog board here and there and ive seen the same thing. Bunch of arguements over techniques and who has the the “real” mauy thai.:rolleyes:
It’s also divisions like this;
http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39102&highlight=Wing+Choon
that separate us.
[QUOTE=anerlich;1066942]Not me. I don’t need a list by some dead guy to tell me how to behave.[/QUOTE]
Then you must be outside the Ip Family?
Whether the man is dead or not, it is a teachers responsibility to teach a student this, especially if that student is to teach in the future. Even what I have learnt is a different variation, with more details, but this was still used as an example of what Ip Man wanted for the future generations of Wing Chun.
And it should be common in most, if not all Wing Chun families.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1067476]It’s also divisions like this;
http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39102&highlight=Wing+Choon
that separate us.[/QUOTE]
Totally agree! I’ve said since I first starting posting here that language is a big difference from school to school. Thgink yourself lucky that you have even been exposed to the differences in dialect and romanization, because some have never even looked beyond the memory of the terms.
Still, I am of te understanding that the language is more of a requirement for the teacher, as students really don’t need to know so much to be very able indeed in short periods of time. Just good training and guidance imho.
Then you must be outside the Ip Family?
Whether the man is dead or not, it is a teachers responsibility to teach a student this, especially if that student is to teach in the future. Even what I have learnt is a different variation, with more details, but this was still used as an example of what Ip Man wanted for the future generations of Wing Chun.
The only family I belong to is the Nerlich family. I find the notion of Kung Fu “families” cultish, ridiculous and insulting to my own parents and relatives. The overwhelming majority of us belong to clubs we go to several times a week. I’ve made friendships that I hope will last a lifetime, but family? Uh-Uh.
I take my responsibilities as a teacher too seriously to propogate dogma just because some famous guy said it decades ago. I prefer to encourage my students to think for themselves and do their own research.
A different dead guy, Voltaire, said:
One owes respect to the living: To the Dead one owes only the truth.
[QUOTE=anerlich;1067548]One owes respect to the living: To the Dead one owes only the truth.[/QUOTE]
Interesting. And so ‘your’ truth is?
And the ‘cult’ type image you have decided to brand Martial Families with is just pure ignorance imho. Especially if you see me this way? I’m one of the biggest ‘family orientated’ guys you will meet, and by that I mean my own blood family.
My Martial Family exists because we had a strong leader, a Sifu with high expectations and demands, and I do see your point. I too see people blindly following the trends, but in others I see the want to improve communication with eachother and the outside world and that is worth nurturing imho. Especially when you’re in a family that is very misunderstood publically due to the unstable nature of Wing Chun in the eighties.
Once we all understand that we ARE all one family, even regardless of style or discipline, then this bashing everyone that’s different from you will just fade away in time.
And the ‘cult’ type image you have decided to brand Martial Families with is just pure ignorance imho.
It’s based on bitter experience, I’m afraid. You’re entitled to your humble opinion, but, imho again ,you haven’t got outside your own circle that much. The people that practice KF aren’t saints or bodhisattva’s (not usually), the vast majority of them are good people, but too many are power hungry manipulative a$$holes. Doing TCMA isn’t a guarantee of good character nor necessarily a vehicle to develop it. That requires other work.
Especially if you see me this way?
I don’t know anything about your interactions with your blood family. I have no reason to doubt that you’re a good family person, but basically I don’t care. It has nothing to do with the discussion IMNSHO.
Once we all understand that we ARE all one family, even regardless of style or discipline, then this bashing everyone that’s different from you will just fade away in time.
You can call us all one family (though not to my face, please) but i’m betting we remain dysfunctional. I don’t bash everyone that’s different from me, but I certainly argue against ideas that I think are ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1066243]I meet martial artists from many disciplines and when I say I do Wing Chun they either say that WC has a bad name and/or they ask why WC people hate each other. I’ve only been doing WC since 1970 and have only studied with 8 Sifus (four of whom were students of Yip Man), so I don’t know much. I’ve noticed that many of the students of YM have different approaches to WC. Does that mean on is right and another is wrong? IMO we all have fragments of WC since no one alive today nor their Sifus were around when WC was developed. We could be a viable entity in the martial arts world if we worked together without the lineage ego that permeates our style.
Just a thought.[/QUOTE]
When you say “each other” it really isn’t accurate. Most if not all of the bashing comes from guys who don’t even know WC or any martial art fully for that matter.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1066243]I meet martial artists from many disciplines and when I say I do Wing Chun they either say that WC has a bad name and/or they ask why WC people hate each other. I’ve only been doing WC since 1970 and have only studied with 8 Sifus (four of whom were students of Yip Man), so I don’t know much. I’ve noticed that many of the students of YM have different approaches to WC. Does that mean on is right and another is wrong? IMO we all have fragments of WC since no one alive today nor their Sifus were around when WC was developed. We could be a viable entity in the martial arts world if we worked together without the lineage ego that permeates our style.
Just a thought.[/QUOTE]
When you say “each other” it really isn’t accurate. Most if not all of the bashing comes from guys who don’t even know WC or any martial art fully for that matter.
It’s not known as the art of infighting for no good reason, LOL!
[QUOTE=HumbleWCGuy;1068194]When you say “each other” it really isn’t accurate. Most if not all of the bashing comes from guys who don’t even know WC or any martial art fully for that matter.[/QUOTE]
You mean guys like yourself? I’ve been training WCK for 30 years (and other martial arts). My sifu even posts of this forum. Whereas you are an anonymous troll who can’t even say where or from whom he learned the art. I may have disagreements with Phil, Kevin, etc. but at least they use their real names and have/are legitimately training in WCK. You, sir, are just a poser.