There was a challenge put on this board awhile back for some large amount. Pro fighter John Marsh fought some guy and the fight was video taped and put online.
Does anyone have that fight or a link to it?
Thanks
I’m sorry, the magic word = please
I think it was Knifefighter who posted the link. If I see him at class tonight I’ll ask him to repost the link.
great, I’m searching for it but I haven’t been having any luck
i think i still have it at home. if you dont find it by tonight ill setup a temp ftp for ya real quick.
Is that the one with J. Marsh against some san soo guy GDA?
yep, fight lasted about a minute before Marsh tore his shoulder with an Americana
I’ll host it!
I have no problem putting it up on my site (if it will help bring me more traffic:p )
fine by me 
Now I just need someone to send it to me
Oops, I forgot one small detail, didn’t I?
thanks Royal
Your Welcome!!
That fight was Gay!!!
The kung fu “master” in this fight sucked coconuts through a straw. It proves nothing, it means nothing, except that a (much)larger pro fighter can easily beat a (much)weaker mediocre(at best)one. Standing together marsh looked twice as heavy than the KFSS guy and younger too. I hear Kurt Belleman is a rather large and agressive KFSS man, I rather see him in a video. Lets see how well he does against Marsh. I bet the outcome won’t be ecactly the same.
It would be the same if I made a video of me beating up an illtrained grappler whom was weaker than me. Would it be fair? Would it prove anything? NO!
Well, it proved that he was “poorly trained.” Everybody knew he was lighter. He just thought his san soo would be an equalizer. And he is considered legit in his art.
Oooh I wanna see. I wanna see. Are you guys sending it by mail? Mine’s is shaolin96@hotmail.com
They could have used a bigger kung fu guy…
I’m not sure if the video is still posted on the net. You might try Sherdog’s site.
As far as the fight proving anything, I think most people realize that John was younger, stronger, and bigger than his esteemed opponent. I don’t think anyone here is saying that this proves that grappling is better than kung fu. As a matter of fact, from the BJJ side of the fight, it never was about proving anything. It was just about doing another fight and having the highest probability of coming away with a payday.
It did end up proving something, though……………..
What is did prove is the fallacy of thinking you know your skills when you never really test them.
To illustrate my point, let me tell you the story of John’s fight. Originally, someone else was going to fight the “kung fu master” in question. However, since $5,000. was on the line and the kung fu camp had said they would fight anyone, John was approached about doing the fight. The BJJ camp knew that John was the best choice to ensure victory. This is because John trained and fought competitively against other fighters, including the original person who was going to fight the kung fu man. John was far from the highest ranking, being only a purple belt in BJJ at the time. However, the BJJ camp knew John was their best choice based on the objective data, even though he was not the most experienced or the highest ranking, or even the biggest.
The kung fu side, on the other hand, had no way to objectively determine who was their best fighter. They didn’t regularly test their skills in competitions, or even in training against 100% resisting opponents. Because of this, the only way they had to judge who was the “best” was by who was the highest ranking, knew the most techniques, could beat everyone in “tag/point fighting” practice sessions, and who could perform his techniques with the best form. Based on this, the “kung fu master” was considered to be their best choice, although they had several practitioners who were John’s size or bigger. As a matter of fact, one of the gentlemen from their school is shown in the background during the fight. At about 6’6" and 290 lbs., he dwarfed John. The kung fu school assumed he was not as good a choice as the smaller “master.”
The BJJ side had multiple objective proofs for John being the best choice for the fight. Unfortunately, for the kung fu school, they had to make their choice based on subjective criteria, since they never actually used their “deadly” techniques at 100% against 100% resisting opponents.
Fight description
Truewrestler:
If you don’t get a hold of the tape, you’re actually not missing that much. There’s nothing extraordinary about the fight. It’s pretty textbook BJJ. But, just in case you don’t get to see it, here’s a quick description. The two fighters traded leg kicks at the same time, with John coming in, clinching and bringing it to the ground. On the way down, the kung fu guy tried the classic “head lock hold” which John broke with a frame, moving into side control position. The kung fu guy attempted several eye gouges which John countered by burying his head and using hand control from underneath the head. From here, John maintained side control while landing the occasional punch to the face. This set up the Americana nicely, as John continued to maintain hand control from under the head. Once he brought in the other hand for the figure 4, all he had to do was move the arm from behind the head to finish with the Americana. I do have to say that finish was pretty nasty, as the arm snapped twice.
If only KungFu San Soo taught Dim Mak, then we would have seen a much different outcome.
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Re: They could have used a bigger kung fu guy…
Originally posted by Knifefighter
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It did end up proving something, though……………..
What is did prove is the fallacy of thinking you know your skills when you never really test them.
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Fair enough, You’ll get no arguement from me on this point.
What I think gets people in a huff about this fight is that this guy is being called a kung fu master in general. When in fact this guy comes from KFSS and they are known, for the most part, NOT to participate in contact tests, sparring etc. And, he wasn’t very good to boot. It a generalization most don’t appreciate.
This casts a bad light on those that do use contact in their practice.
As far as the description let me add that both traded kicks in the beginning, BUT.
Marsh’s kick was used as a distraction in order to get to the shoot. While the other guy was doing a kick just to do a kick. This shows the “point” mentality behind his approach. This is something a contact fighter, striker or otherwise, would not do. A kick as a primary attack has to be solid , accurate, usefull, and cannot be used as a singular movement. They guys kick was his first and most costly mistake.
As strikers go, he failed miserably. He broke the cardibnal rule by throwing a technique that left his open and stationed. Stiking and grapppling are diametrically opposite in their ends. Where strikers strive to control and maintain in a perimeter keeping centers apart, while grapplers strive to join centers either by breaching or absorbing.
It was just bad.