[QUOTE=RenDaHai;1156623]I say we add an entire ‘Kung Fu Vs. MMA’ forum and put it at the top of the list. That way it all gets put in there and the ‘Kung Fu’ forum can be more in depth.[/QUOTE]
Sounds good to me!
Yup, just make an MMA vs TMA forum and put all threads relating to it in there and be done with it. Let them go on about it all they want. it would sure help clean up the general forum.
[QUOTE=Jimbo;1156669]I understand that. I don’t like it when people make sweeping negative statements about CMA either. The problem is, by constantly responding to those types of posts, we then prevent any meaningful discussion, because the negative types will derail every thread, knowing they’ll get the attention they crave. It really is that simple.[/QUOTE]
Maybe I’m guilty of this, but I had fun doing the research and got to touch on some stuff that’s interesting to me - like what techniques I learned from cma that I use all the time in sparring.
Granted, the bickering’s not productive, but I’ll take any excuse I can to talk shop.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1156667]Sometime it’s hard not to try to protect the honor of the TCMA. Where should we draw that line?[/QUOTE]
Want to “protect the honor” of TCMA. Post clips like this that would be great examples of TCMA being effective and would show you actually know what you are talking about.:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=789_1328390550
Instead of ones like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc4Ubxy54vE
that only show you’ve got zero understanding of realistic techniques and only give people more ammunition against you.
[QUOTE=Peaceful Orchid;1156710]Instead of ones like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc4Ubxy54vE
that only show you’ve got zero understanding of realistic techniques and only give people more ammunition against you.[/QUOTE]
Do you know who is the person in that clip? Those are all his students.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1156715]Do you know who is the person in that clip? Those are all his students.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZouSsrTGNE[/QUOTE]
I couldn’t care less who it is. If he is teaching mostluy things like that, he’s one of those fraudulent martial arts teachers you were talking about.
[QUOTE=Peaceful Orchid;1156719]I couldn’t care less who it is. If he is teaching mostluy things like that, he’s one of those fraudulent martial arts teachers you were talking about.[/QUOTE]
I’ll take that back if I were you.
Again, How old are you?
Do you not see the irony of posting clips of a teacher teaching techniques that you claim are realistic and then posting clips of his students going live and not a single one of them is able to pull off one of the techniques you are claiming to be effective.
On the other hand, maybe those really are effective techniques, but he is such a bad teacher that he can’t teach his students how to use them.
BTW, At least you are now posting examples of techniques that actually work. This is more along the lines of what you need to do since your mission seems to be to protect the honor of TCMA. Better than those clips that just sabotage that mission.
[QUOTE=Peaceful Orchid;1156721]Do you not see the irony of posting clips of a teacher teaching techniques that you claim are realistic and then posting clips of his students going live and not a single one of them is able to pull off one of the techniques you are claiming to be effective.
On the other hand, maybe those really are effective techniques, but he is such a bad teacher that he can’t teach his students how to use them.[/QUOTE]
The wrist lock can only work
- if your opponent grabs on your wrist.
- when you hold on his grabbing hand, he still refuses to let it go.
That was exactly how that clip was showing. You opponent can raise and bend his elbow to release the pressure. You can then change it into X. If your opponent turns his body to release the pressure, you can then change it into Y. Both X and Y are not showing in that clip. Since I don’t believe you are truly interest in this subject. there is no need to describe X and Y in detail.
Please tell us know will you set up a “wrist lock”.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1156722]The wrist lock can only work
- if your opponent grabs on your wrist.
- when you hold on his grabbing hand, he still refuses to let it go.
That was exactly how that clip was taught.
Please tell us know will you set up a “wrist lock”.[/QUOTE]
I won’t set up a wrist lock because, generally, they are way too low percentage.
What I will set up when someone tries to do that wrist lock to me when I “refuse to let go” is an arm drag to take the back or move into a double leg or step behind takedown.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1156722]The wrist lock can only work
- if your opponent grabs on your wrist.
- when you hold on his grabbing hand, he still refuses to let it go.
[/QUOTE]
Most wrestlers will grab your wrist if you put it out there. Most will also take you down when you attempt to use your other hand to grab the way that was shown in that clip.
[QUOTE=Peaceful Orchid;1156723]I won’t set up a wrist lock because, generally, they are way too low percentage.
What I will set up when someone tries to do that wrist lock to me when I “refuse to let go” is an arm drag to take the back or move into a double leg or step behind takedown.[/QUOTE]
Now you are talking about wrestling. In another thread we were talking about “Chinese Qin Na Submission”.
What is even more ironic is that a guy who teaches jacket wrestling is attempting to show a wrist grab takedown. That’s like a BJJ guy trying to teach the intricacies of heel hooks.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1156726]Now you are talking about wrestling. In another thread we were talking about “Chinese Qin Na Submission”.[/QUOTE]
And I said that won’t work against even against a novice level wrestler or anyone else who has a minimum of grappling experience.
[QUOTE=Peaceful Orchid;1156724]Most wrestlers will grab your wrist if you put it out there. Most will also take you down when you attempt to use your other hand to grab the way that was shown in that clip.[/QUOTE]
I strongly doubt about that.
Did I start this thread? When am I going to stop?
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1156729]I strongly doubt about that.[/QUOTE]
Easy to prove me wrong. Wrestling season is right now. Find an open mat training night, go there and try your wrist lock technique. Post the clips of what happens when you do that.
Of course, you would never want to have actual documentation of something like that because it would show how wrong you are.
[QUOTE=Peaceful Orchid;1156730]Easy to prove me wrong. Wrestling season is right now. Find an open mat training night, go there and try your wrist lock technique. Post the clips of what happens when you do that.[/QUOTE]
When did I say that “wrist lock” will always work in the ring? Did I say that “joint locking” will work when “opportunity” presents?
You still have not answered my question yet.
----- “How old are you?” -----
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1156731]When did I say that “wrist lock” will always work in the ring? Did I say that “joint locking” will work when “opportunity” presents?-[/QUOTE]
And my point was that opportunity will rarely present so it’s generally better to focus on opportunities that will present significantly more often such as those things shown in the clips of the fraudulent teacher’s students.
You still have not answered my question yet.
----- “How old are you?” -----
LOL… What business of yours is it how old I am and how is it relevant to the conversations at hand?
[QUOTE=Peaceful Orchid;1156732]LOL… What business of yours is it how old I am and how is it relevant to the conversations at hand?[/QUOTE]
Because I will feel stupid myself to find out that I’m “arguing” with a 16 years old kid.
[QUOTE=Peaceful Orchid;1156732] in the clips of the fraudulent teacher’s students.[/QUOTE]
Again, If I were you, I’ll take that back. To say that someone is “fraud” online is not a good idea.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1156734]Because I will feel stupid myself to find out that I’m “arguing” with a 16 years old kid.[/QUOTE]
I told you I’m an old man.