ACCEPT WHAT CLAIMS???SPECIFICALY,
RH - If you’re referring to me and my book, I applied a critical ear to what I heard, and a critical eye to what I wrote. My Sijo and Sigung’s claims are supportable, especially in China. I’d gladly put my book up against any other book of its kind in that regard.
If there’s anything substantive and specific you’d care to discuss, I’m more than willing.
BTW- I continue to respond to you with consideration and respect. I would appreciate it if you would return the courtesy.
Rgds,
RR
from the cradle to enslave
hey ren,
we have talked a bit, ive read lots of your literature…from my understanding all the info you mention is documented…in town records ect. have you heard of anybody disputing the historics before??
So when did William Cheung’s system “emerge”?
Was it indeed after Yip Man’s death? Was it a slow evolution, or did it just “happen”?
My first instructor, David Crook, trained with William Cheung in the 1960’s in Canberra, ACT Australia.
My current instructor, Rick Spain, started with him in 1974 in Melbourne. Yip Man died in 1973 (or was it '72?).
David does his WC with a toes in neutral stance and bent wrist on the bon sao, Rick Spain with parallel stance and straght wrist bon.
David did tell me though that William’s footwork has always been “a bit different to everyone else’s”.
I think “modern” TWC started when William Cheung moved to Melbourne, set up his HQ there, and began teaching full-time.
I didn’t set out to insult William Cheung, just relating his stories and my opinion of them, and some situations in which he has played a role. If that makes him look bad, I’d say that was his fault, not mine.
Rolling Hand you question my motives re William Cheung, then cast your own aspersions on Sum Nung and Rene by association. Can you spell “hypocrite”? How about “troll”?
byond
–ACCEPT WHAT CLAIMS???SPECIFICALY,
Do you really want to know?
Anerlich,
–Rolling Hand you question my motives re William Cheung then cast your own aspersions on Sum Nung and Rene by association. Can you spell “hypocrite”? How about “troll”?
Brother, have patience…covering your bases hasn’t done much to secure your position.
You could say anything about me and I don’t mind. But please don’t say any bad things about William Cheung - After all, he’s still your grandmaster, show your respect!!!
RR
–I applied a critical ear to what I heard, and a critical eye to what I wrote.
Even you’re all ears and all eyes, you wouldn’t know who took Madonna’s Cherry, would you?
A bump in your head sends you into a panic. Don’t lose your cool, you’ll see the light at end of the tunnel soon!
–My Sijo and Sigung’s claims are supportable.
According to you, if your lips itches, you’ve got it. However, someone may learn more about the truth than you for taking an unpopular stand.
–especially in China
Different villages and towns also have their own stories - You’ve got your pick!!!
–I’d gladly put my book up against any other book of its kind in that regard.
In order to have a clearer idea, you may have to do something extraordinary for your book(S) - burn them!!! You hate giving up any ground, but it’s the right thing to do. In other words, you might have a very good picture of Madonna in your book, but the real Madonna lives in Beverly Hill.
–I would appreciate it if you would return the courtesy.
Will do…do you want a box of Seez Candy or the wild and crazy underwear for X’mas?
Andrew - I’ve heard/read Cheung sifu in videos and books discuss how he made some developments himself, such as the elbow watching, the knife set (he said the original one he learned was not to his liking but I forget the reason, too short or something). I think that’s only natural, though, as living things tend to evolve as time goes on (and I’d imagine the Aussie fighters might have had a difference or two from those in Foshan 8).
Byond - Yes, even a quick look of the stories in China will show they share many similarities across lineages, and much of the information is documented by the Foshan MA Association, with copies held by the older practitioners and the family members. They’ve been disputed from time to time. Yuen Jo-Tong (Yuen Kay-San’s grandson) sometimes refuted the (sometimes anonymous) attacks with detailed responses and it never seemed to continue much after that. In general, however, my sigung says that wise people will look into it for themselves and make intelligent assessments, so the petty politics, posturing, and propaganda is not worth worrying about. The truly skilled folks never seem to bother with it, at any rate.
r5a - Not at all. I’m flattered, if not embarassed. At least it will remind me to follow my own advice, if nothing else, and perhaps others will contemplate it as well.
RH - Sorry you lost your center so easily again. If you have something of substance to discuss, I’ll be ready, willing, and able. If not, well, I always prefered astronomy to astrology.
Rgds,
RR
Substance or smoke
Hello,
I see that some like to blow smoke to cover a lack of substance.
You know it is funny that some of the greatest masters were also the most courteous. Rather than spend time and energy trying to put someone else down, or build yourself up, why not just discuss the art. Every lineage has merit and has people who can make that approach work for them. While history can be important, sometimes truth gets lost in the mist.
Rather than argue and insult each other why not extend courtesy to one another. Agree to disagree.
Peace,
Dave
Joyce - Gefeliciteerd met uw verjaardag
Waar gaat u naar toe?
Wat is uw e-mail adres?
Roger(VP-EXT-110)
Ik vertrek niet later dan half twee
RR - Center?
Kunt u het spellen “Center”?
Onzin!!!
There’s only one thing that can keep growing without nourishment - the human ego!!!
Ignorance can grow without nourishment. So can hunger. So can discontent, and many other things. Human’s need ego, along with superego and id to be somewhat well balanced. When they lack even basic self-confidence (or system-confidence in MA), self-respect, and self-actualization, that seems to be when they resort to rudeness, trolling, and attacking others for some measure of attention and distraction. Sad and unfortunate. To make this WCK related, however, the self-reflection of SNT and the guidance of a good sifu can help instill better ways of interacting with the world and the self.
Rgds,
RR
Wing Chun’s deceptive hands
Ying & Yang - Any fool can tell the truth, but it requires a man of some sense to know how to lie well. LOL!!! In many ways, this reflected an innate desire to appease the unknown-“Mo Ying Da Ying”, WCK indeed!!!
Question About William Cheung
Why is his SLT so stiff/aggressive? Isn’t relaxed, soft energy applicable in his version of Wing Chun?
I have a question to go along with ADs’ as well. All o fthe demos I have seen of his lineage, thier elbows tend to be out and not really in. Is this the way He does it or am I just seeing bad examples?!
AD - Question about William Cheung
Do not always assume that the other fellow has intelleigence equals to yours. William Cheung may have more.
RH – agreed
I am generally curious about his forms though and would like to understand the principles behind them.
Red5angel
–All o fthe demos I have seen of his lineage
Who?
–thier elbows tend to be out and not really in
hahaha…I can see a little devil here!!!
–Is this the way He does it
He would tell you, email him…
http://www.cheungswingchun.com/
–or am I just seeing bad example?!
William Cheung or Kenneth Chung???
the principles are the same; how then are the forms so different?
RH - not sure who they were there is a site for one of them…
That would be a bad example of W. Cheung. I have seen Kenneth Chungs stuff and I am very comfortable with it.