[QUOTE=horserider;1051385]T.Niehoff I see your point it does read that way. My point was that all wing chun I have ever seen contains all 3 stages of training and concepts even though forms may differ however for whatever reasons the focus has fallen onto just one aspect so much so that now chi sao seems to be the beginning and end all of wing chun. The knowledge is there open like a book for anyone to train but few do so. Instead I keep reading how our system does this or we don’t do that in our system etc etc.
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I understand. The problem is that most people who “practice” WCK have little to no significant exposure to the “greater” art and so have extremely narrow views, then add sifu worship (he was after all the true inheritor or greatest fighter or etc.), etc.
The attitude seems to be if your Sifu does not lead you to water you can not drink.
Yup.
This leads to why i do not care to teach westeners. If I am racist by the way big deal. Don’t think I am it is just in general westeners are difficult to teach due to cultural differences and I think better suited to boxing or arts created to suit them like Tae Kwon Do
I can see that an understanding of the Chinese culture could make it easier to learn a TCMA (to put things into context), and I do think think that we westerners, growing up as we do with sport – which is a functional way of learning/developing skill – can easily confuse the TCMA way of teaching (separating curriculum from application) with the sport way of teaching (curriculum is application), coming to think, like many do, that in WCK learning the WCK curriculum they are learning application.
But, that can be dealt with.
Look at the Kuit how everyone claims they know them,follow them and then look at performance.
Actually, I think most people don’t even have the kuit!
Wing Chun created by woman. What should this tell you. A 130 lb woman can not stand toe to toe with 200 man trade punches and expect to win. A woman must find another way must be mobile. What do we see in videos. People charging into each other with chain punches or standing in front of each other trading attacks. This is doing boxing with a wing chun cover. It is best to spend time actually learning how to box.
Yes, I think the creation ALLEGORY has a point, and that point is that our method is to not rely on brute strength, but instead to weaken our opponent (by breaking his structure), to use natural advantages, like reach, against him (by crowding him), and at all times to keep him under control so that we don’t end up trading.
Look at chi sao videos, even those by experts.Llook at how often they move elbows back to the body or outside the plane of the body . This is not what wing chun says to do yet they do it. People should correct themselves but instead if Sifu does it or doesn’t say anything they just go on not drinking the water.
Again look in chi sao. Do people ,even experts close in when attacking and break structure or do they stand at arms length trading attacks or throw fast hands from long range. Wing chun says to close ,step in ,break structure as you attack but this you seldom see.
This is because you can have the drill/exercise (chi sao) but if you do not know what you are trying to do in the drill/exercise (and think, for instance, that just doing it will develop “sensitivity” or “contact reflexes”), you can’t practice what the drill is trying to teach. To develop a skill you must always begin with the objective, and most people don’t seem to know the objective of chi sao (to learn to use the tools of WCK to control an opponent while striking him).