What style is this ? I think it looks great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrRAsptkRfc
The white guy does Tae Kwon Do and the Asian guy does Wushu
[QUOTE=Kymus;1232420]The white guy does Tae Kwon Do and the Asian guy does Wushu[/QUOTE]
so that long staff form is TKD?
[QUOTE=KungFubar;1232397]What style is this ? I think it looks great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrRAsptkRfc[/QUOTE]
Sure does if you want to minimize the effective use of the range of the weapon (wide grip in the middle, hit with the ends of the weapon - you’d be better off using escrima sticks and would have the same effective range). It’s all flash with a toothpick. I like the wushu one a lot better. Traditional Shaolin / TCMA staff is the way to go if you’re interested in the staff / guan.
Honestly, if you really like Karate’s version, you might as well learn this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swSiKd6mmf0
[QUOTE=MightyB;1232432]Honestly, if you really like Karate’s version, you might as well learn this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swSiKd6mmf0[/QUOTE]
:D:D:D:D
MightyB, is right (again).
From what I’ve seen of staff techniques, Kung Fu has it. A friend of a friend was training for his black belt test in Tang Soo Do and came to me for help with his staff work.
I sparred with the guy and his staff work was bad not sloppy, just bad. He had no concept of attack and defend; the only thing he could do was a short twirling movement which was ok for basic defense, but otherwise it was terrible. He never learned how to use a staff as a long weapon.
Like MightyB said, if you’re going to use the ends of it like that and fight in medium/close range, you are far better off using escrima sticks.
[QUOTE=KungFubar;1232425]so that long staff form is TKD?[/QUOTE]
If you’re talking about the white guy with his shirt off, yeah, that’s typical TKD/Karate staff work that is 90% flash and 10% technique.
It’s no different than the Karate demos with flip kicks and split kicks and all that other flashy stuff. It’s BS, IMO.
[QUOTE=Kymus;1232469]
If you’re talking about the white guy with his shirt off, yeah, that’s typical TKD/Karate staff work that is 90% flash and 10% technique.
It’s no different than the Karate demos with flip kicks and split kicks and all that other flashy stuff. It’s BS, IMO.[/QUOTE]
Would you think the same thing if a police man took out his baton and started ‘twirling’ it? I wouldnt. hehe
I think most people would run away from a guy that picked up a broom handle and started doing what that TKD guy was doing and yelling. Fight ends without violence. lol
Is there a single short staff in some KF style? so if someone pulls a knife you can use a short stick or handle laying around better than bare handed against a knife no?
Real “karate” bo work has minimal twirling, almost none really.
[QUOTE=KungFubar;1232482]Would you think the same thing if a police man took out his baton and started ‘twirling’ it? I wouldnt. hehe[/quote]
Yes. Most of my weapons training is in Escrima. We primarily fight with sticks. Trust me; I understand weapons.
I think most people would run away from a guy that picked up a broom handle and started doing what that TKD guy was doing and yelling. Fight ends without violence. lol
It’s a bluff; what hapens when the bluff is called? When someone else isn’t scared?
Is there a single short staff in some KF style? so if someone pulls a knife you can use a short stick or handle laying around better than bare handed against a knife no?
Some Chinese arts teach the short stick (not sure what the term is) but I think it’s rare and I know nothing about it as far as Kung Fu goes (my experience with that is totally Escrima). You will find the short staff taught in most arts, I believe. It’s called the eyebrow height staff.
If you’re looking for defense against a knife, I’d personally suggest Escrima. I’m not without my own bias, but I think they have the most realistic approach to weapon defense.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1232486]Real “karate” bo work has minimal twirling, almost none really.[/QUOTE]
I kinda figured that it was a b@stardization of the art.
Is it typical - in the arts that haven’t been watered down in America - for them to fight solely using the center? Are there applications that use long range attacks?
[QUOTE=Kymus;1232490]Yes. Most of my weapons training is in Escrima. We primarily fight with sticks. Trust me; I understand weapons.
It’s a bluff; what hapens when the bluffe is called? When someone else isn’t scared?
Some Chinese arts teach the short stick (not sure what the term is) but I think it’s rare and I know nothing about it as far as Kung Fu goes (my experience with that is totally Escrima). You will find the short staff taught in most arts, I belief. It’s called the eyebrow height staff.
If you’re looking for defense against a knife, I’d personally suggest Escrima. I’m not without my own bias, but I think they have the most realistic approach to weapon defense.[/QUOTE]
Is there a single stick version of escrima or is there always two sticks?
[QUOTE=KungFubar;1232493]Is there a single stick version of escrima or is there always two sticks?[/QUOTE]
We do
- single stick
- double stick
- stick and dagger
- single dagger
You could do double dagger, but I have never seen it, personally.
[QUOTE=Kymus;1232496]We do
- single stick
- double stick
- stick and dagger
- single dagger
You could do double dagger, but I have never seen it, personally.[/QUOTE]
single stick sounds good and practical
[QUOTE=KungFubar;1232498]single stick sounds good and practical[/QUOTE]
It is, but your enemy may know lawyer-fu.
That’s - largely - why I don’t do challenge matches with whiney trolls on the internet. I humiliate them, they sue me. I’m not dumb.
Carry around a stick, and unless you’re attacked with a weapon, you could face legal charges (more absurd things have happened).
You also need to ask yourself what you’ll do when you don’t have a stick with you.
There are so many variables. :mad:
[QUOTE=Kymus;1232505]It is, but your enemy may know lawyer-fu.
That’s - largely - why I don’t do challenge matches with whiney trolls on the internet. I humiliate them, they sue me. I’m not dumb.
Carry around a stick, and unless you’re attacked with a weapon, you could face legal charges (more absurd things have happened).
You also need to ask yourself what you’ll do when you don’t have a stick with you.
There are so many variables. :mad:[/QUOTE]
If you look back at my post in this thread, the reason why i like the short stick is because there are a lot of stick like objects , handles, etc, household common object that can be grabbed in an emergency knife defense. I wasnt suggesting walking around town with a stick. LOL
heres the quote from my previous post
[QUOTE=KungFubar;1232397]
Is there a single short staff in some KF style? so if someone pulls a knife you can use a short stick or handle laying around better than bare handed against a knife no?
[/quote]
Sure, it’s great against a knife. I just wouldn’t bet the farm on depending on something always being around, that’s all. 
addendum: really, anything that is longer than a knife can be used effectively against it.
[QUOTE=Kymus;1232509]Sure, it’s great against a knife. I just wouldn’t bet the farm on depending on something always being around, that’s all.
addendum: really, anything that is longer than a knife can be used effectively against it.[/QUOTE] ya nothing is for sure, even if you have a gun and carry it everywhere.
[QUOTE=KungFubar;1232507]If you look back at my post in this thread, the reason why i like the short stick is because there are a lot of stick like objects , handles, etc, household common object that can be grabbed in an emergency knife defense. I wasnt suggesting walking around town with a stick. LOL
heres the quote from my previous post[/QUOTE]
I think that’s becoming less of a reality nowadays. Sure I have a lot of stick like utensils in my office (I work in multimedia and have all sorts of camera stuff that is stick like) but when I walk campus, I rarely find anything that can be used as a weapon. I suspect this is true of most places. So, if the stick’s your thing, I think you’ll have to invest in a collapsible baton.
[QUOTE=Kymus;1232509]
addendum: really, anything that is longer than a knife can be used effectively against it.[/QUOTE]
My p3nis then!
… sorry, couldn’t resist.