I attended a beginners class in Wing Chun and the teacher was teaching Bil sau and Chi sau. Do you think that the teacher should limit what he teaches to beginners?
We have a set programme
At KamonWingChun beginners in their very first lesson have an intro that shows them YGKYM, basic punching, turning and stepping.
This is built upon in each lesson for the first month or so and then they start learning SNT.
As to be expected, even seniors still practise stepping, punching, SNT etc. Chi Sau proper usually starts after about 1.5 years of training (though this can vary depending on the student).
Where
Where did you get your beginners lesson ?
Nat from UK
ps How’s Uni not seen you at work lately?
Bil Sau
Bil Sau is also found within SLT 
Nat from UK
Re: Bil Sau
Originally posted by Nat from UK
[B]Bil Sau is also found within SLT
Nat from UK [/B]
Depends on your lineage dude. My SLT does not have Bil Sao, but double palm strike.
Chi Sau in your first lesson is a bit extreme i think. I would think you would have to learn and practice tan, bong and fook for a while first
pseudo
I spent the first 4-6 months just doing the core basics, and looking back, I find it invaluable. Before any Siu Lien Tao or cycles, all we did was drill the vertical punch in clamping horse, the vertical punch with turning horse, the side punch to arrow horse punch, and the stepping version of same.
Hi Nat
I am now training under Billy Davidson in Manchester. I didn’t realise he had two classes running, one for beginners and one for advanced. I really enjoyed it and thought I have learned something from it. Its good to get some training done again.
how have you been? Done training lately?
Andy
Hi Rene
When you say “cycles” do you mean set drills?
If so, what do beginners first learn in your lineage (past the material you’ve already listed)? Is what you’ve learnt particular to your Sifu, or standard in Sum Nung Wing Chun?
Errr… sorry, a little collection of Qs.
Duncan,
There are several core exercises grouped together as Sup Yee San Sik (12 Separate Forms) we learn, some prior to Siu Lien Tao. The first four (Sae Go Ban Choi 4 Basic Punches) cover the horse, the punch, the turn, the step, and bridging in the 4 directions. They also give you some useful things like Lien Wan Choi (Continuous Punch) and Kwai Ma Choi (Kneeling Horse Punch) as extensions.
The next four are the basic cycles which include inside/outside tan, huen, fook, lap, etc. You can find the basic ideas behind poon tan bong (kwun sao), etc. within these as well. They teach taking and changing the center.
Lan Sao Chung Choi (Barring Arm Thrusting Punch) and Gaun Sao Kwan Choi (Cultivating Arm Hanging Punch) are also taught early on, to give some rough self-defense ability before more refined WCK is possible (recognizing you might need to use something before you’ve been in the system for several years 
I don’t know how universal the exact sequence of everything is. I’ve seen several do very similar, and a few do things a little different (in terms of order). I found this a very logical and sensible way of doing things.
I like it!
Sounds good, and like you say, logical intro.
Following our basics (YGKYM, punches, stepping and turning), we introduce inside and outside Tan Da, Garn Da, Bong/Lap/Fak against hooks or straights… all with an emphasis on footwork and driving into our target on hitting while maintaining good stance and structure.
We then introduce a simple distance judgement/sensitivity drill before moving on.
That said, while beginners slowly learn this, we all, regardless of time in and experience, still practise them, just at a faster/harder pace.
D
Re: WHat should the teacher teach?
Originally posted by Phenix_Eye
I attended a beginners class in Wing Chun and the teacher was teaching Bil sau and Chi sau. Do you think that the teacher should limit what he teaches to beginners?
“It is the teacher’s responsibility to show the truth.”
—Ken Chung
I think that the teacher should teach everything to his students, holding nothing back. If you are talking about the appropriateness of the lesson, how can we comment intelligently without knowing the teacher and students?
There are and should be no secrets.
Regards,