I was wondering what kind of fighting you guys do?
I don’t mean to offend anyone,I just thought
that reality fighting is out off place at a kung fu form.I know anyone training in kung fu,should not try to us it other than in a controlled environment.
I thought kung fu was for something eles,I guess I was wrong.
Anyways,I’m here to exchange useful information, and if I can ,I’ll answer any of your Question about REALITY FIGHTING.I’d love to also hear about your style.
I have been street fighting lately.Id like to go in some compotions.Maybe NHB.Who cares if I am a KF guy.I like to fight.
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Martial joe I didn’t mean to offend you or the art you study.I do think you should enter some competitions.
I have been studing the martial arts scene for years now.What I found is students with 3-4years or 432-576 hours(thats 18 days for 3years and 24 day for 4 years)of experience lack any real fighting ability.All these black belts and red shashes,can and would be defeated with ease, with the overlooked BUT dangers art of INTIMIDATION!
let me give you an example:
Let’s just say that I was a martial arts Master with 20 years or 2880 hours(thats 120 days or 4 months)of experience.and with maybe 1or2 fights in the middle of my life long martial arts training ,under my belt or sash.(there is a reason they say under my belt!)
I,the Martial arts expert decided to take you under my wing and teach you the secrets of martial arts,The only thing I ask, is that once I finished training you, you must get into a fight,and two, you must train 9 hours a day 5days a week.
After the 13 week training session.(thats equeal to 4 years and 9 hours at a normal MA.school)I give you a nice Black belt or Red sash, you chose.
Now you must take this and go get into a fight!
QUESTION
Tell me,with all your trainig do you feel confident enough, to put your self in a potentaility life threaten situation?
Don’t let the rank blind you to how little you really know?
As for competiton with a other black belt or red sash from an established martial arts school,would you still fell confident to fight him in a controled enviroment?
Sounds ridiculous- thats why most good martial arts teachers or master don’t condone real fighting,no matter how many years the student has put in.Its no where near enough to help in a real fight.The weapons you were taught might get you out of a fight,by giving you the confidence to hopfully find a better way out than to fight,there by protecting the student and the art from harms way.Everything a responsible martial arts teacher should do ,FOR HIS ART AND STUDENTS.
anyways I would love to hear about your com. fights
If you have any question feel free to ask!!!
P.S. Martial joe I just don’t want to see anyone enter battle ill prepared.I know a lot of people are going to be upset with what I’m saying.don’t be I’m just saying rely on your self.
I disagree. I think there are a lot of kung fu practitioners out there who can fight. Masters do not discourage fighting because they think their students are not prepared - that would be admitting that they are bad teachers. They teach the peaceful path because that is the aim of kung fu - to reduce violence, and to learn to defend yourself against attack.
I would have to say that in most cases, having some martial arts knowledge is better than having none at all. Thinking you are better than you really are is where it is dangerous.
Guns don’t kill people, I kill people
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Abandit sorry but my replys keep getting cut off
I’ve cheacked my conection and it’s not it
I"M going to respond in parts
1.you said it’s better to know some martial arts than none at all.I totally agree with you.
most people don’t spend a lot of time thinking about fighting.If they spent any time on the subject, they would see that in a confrontation they would not know what to do.naturally this would lead to fear.
one of two things would happen to this person 1-they would avoid such situation at all cost or 2-they would look for peace from the thoughts they where having.Not hard to do in this day and age where there is a martial arts school on every second block sell peace of mind for a low monthly cost
2.let’s get to the part that you THINK there are a lot of good kung fu practitioners out there.
This is broad,but I’ll take a guess on what kind of fighter you were talking about, com. fighter or real fighter.
A.I know there are a great many competition kung fu fighters in the world, but their place is a place with rules and refs.
B.AS for real fighters and kung fu there is not a one.
One thing with the martial arts world is that any victory ,any win ,or anything for that matter,is documented and displayed for the whole world to see.Do you really think that there is a martial arts school out there with a real fighter just hideing him,or would they hold a tournament open to all challengers and styles?
so many people are consumed by the mult-million dollar question–who is practicing the best art
not in order sorry
3.about masters teaching the peaceful way because that is the aim of kung fu.
In the first post that I put up.I was implying thats what I thought kung fu was about,and I thought reality fighting was out of place in a kung fu forum.
I have the same respect for kung fu as the rest of you guys.
Martial arts can sometimes handle this type of attack.
the most common type of attack
Im sorry to any one that reads this,my first draft to Abandit was some how deleted???
I’ve been up all night with the first draft–but you know how that went.
I at least tried to do the respect of answering Abandit,so I salvaged what I could from memorey and thats what you guys see..I’m really really sorry but It’s been a long long night.
I’ll look it over tommorow or I mean later today and fill in the gaps and.
I’m sorry for the order,and for the point answers!
P.S.please let’s not turn this into a debating post so please leave your I DIAGREE’S-OR I AGREE’S at the door.let’s exchange experinces and stories.We not POLITICIANS.debates are so unproductive
If you have any questions feel free to ask.
this keyboard and screen have kicked my a*s
Hmmmm, OK. I only know that there are a lot of good fighters in my school. My sigung and my sifu spring to mind, but many other senior students were also considered good fighters.
The reason I say this is because a) my sigung fought in China against the Japanese and is known to have killed several in sword duels. b) my sifu has proven his fighting ability on the street as well as in the ring.
Having said all that, I firmly believe that no matter what fighting system you practice, if you are a natural fighter then you will be a good fighter. If you do not have the fighter’s instinct (which most people don’t) then you will still suck.
Guns don’t kill people, I kill people
Learning to fight
Most arts I have seen do not teach you how to fight..they give you tools, ie timing, techniques, strength, speed,ect…but the closest alot of arts get is sparring, which I believe to be mal-training. In sparring there is no sense of REAL danger, and in reality after one or two hits, the person would not be alert enough to use some fancy techniques. You need to MAKE your own art into a fighting one..learning how to react subconsciously..ie.someone comes at you, and instead of flinching, you explode with some random very violent chain of strikes until there is no one left standing. There are methods to go about getting this “suddon violence” and learning to not think, but to simply react with the correct thing(s). If anyone is interested..please email me as I am not going to type on..and on,
and so endeth the sermon…amen
Gary
Gary could you answer me one question-on your profile it says occ.—USAF?
is that US AIR FORCE?
please
One of The kung fu schools I’m looKing into has a web site. if you would like to talk in a forum with less traffic go to www.chingwu.org maybe you guy’s could as comment on it. Thanks
ABandit we could go like this for ever.I’M sure your school has vary good fighters.LETS MOVE ON.maybe Abandit you could comment one one of the choices of schools I have picked.www.chingwu.org
The other one is in chinatown and has not let me in YET.IT’s not the walk in and pay type school.But I go every day and wait for them to answer.evntally they’ll let me in!
P.S.if you any QUESTIONS on reality fighting contact me at www.chingwu.org
my user name is fat momma --they made a mistake here
thanks
USAF
Yes Far..
I am in the US air force..in fact I also teach dim-mak/taijiquan/baguazhang on base here in oklahoma city…
Gary
Gary I send you an email
I would love to hear about your training method for what you called “sudden attack”
thank you vary much
Fat Momma
Obviously I am completely missing what you said in your first post. You stated that reality fighting was out of place on a kung fu forum. I simply disagreed. Please explain how I have missed the point of the thread. I am genuine, I would like to discuss this properly but I seem to be missing the point of your initial post.
Guns don’t kill people, I kill people