What haven't been identified in WCK?

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Tan, Fook, Direct, Short range power, YJKYM, …
All has been popular.

Do you FEEL, something missing? something not quite right?
there are things which haven’t been identified or reveal yet?

Something that will make the Tan, Fook, Direct…Breathing and motion coordination while doing SLT…
to be crytal clear.

Something make the big picture, the details, and oneself become one pice. Something makes everything as clear and obvious as the gravity.

there, No need to argue anymore. No need to drop names… it is just clear, crytal clear, and tangible ---- what need to be done. what is the destination. what is the cause. what is the effect… not a single blur.

What do you FEEL?

Feeling don’t lie.
Feelings… oh oh oh Feelings. :smiley:

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I feel…

quite fulfilled in my Wing Chun.

(though sometimes… just sometimes… I feel that I’m missing Carl Dechiara.)

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EntertheWhip, you should be missing the Wing Chun training he offers :wink:

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I FEEL like im NOT missing someone who posts riddles. :frowning:

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You cant escape the Whip Yenhoi!!! :wink:

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I was talking about hendrik :eek:

When is whippinghand gonna be unbanned? :cool:

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he doesnt need to be, he has a new moniker… see above :slight_smile:

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Hendrick stop trolling.

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Hendrick, some people are missing root, others structure or soft power. It looks like they are doing WC but with a few important details missing who knows? Is it a lineage thing? An instructor thing? I am going with a knowledge thing, thats what is mostly missing…

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Hendrik- did you take a lesson from Firehawk before your last post?

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Maybe they just lack experience and confidence!

You only need a single technique for any situation if you use it perfectly.

No soft, no hard, no Tan Bong Fuk just WCK done perfectly in the moment.

I’ll tell you when I get there

:wink:

David

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Re: What haven’t been identified in WCK?

Originally posted by Hendrik
Do you FEEL, something missing? something not quite right?
there are things which haven’t been identified or reveal yet?

Not any more. At least nothing that more practice, development and experience won’t fix.

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Something make the big picture, the details, and oneself become one pice. Something makes everything as clear and obvious as the gravity.
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Pun intended? :slight_smile:

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there, No need to argue anymore. No need to drop names… it is just clear, crytal clear, and tangible ---- what need to be done. what is the destination. what is the cause. what is the effect… not a single blur.
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Not nice to tempt folks with something unless they can have it, or at least a clue how and where to find. :wink:

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What do you FEEL?
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If I didn’t know better I’d think you were selling something, LOL. Can you be more explicit and direct with your point in this thread? If you are on about something other than what seems obvious, I think I’d regret to miss it.

Regards,

  • Kathy Jo
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He means CHI POWER!
:wink:

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Originally posted by fa_jing
He means CHI POWER!
:wink:

Oh. Thanks for spelling it out.

Regards,

  • Kathy Jo
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Originally posted by kj
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Oh. Thanks for spelling it out.

Regards,

  • Kathy Jo [/B]

No, it is not about Qi power…ect
Qi? to be honest, how many knows what it is and can activate it? or say, just simple to heal oneself… just words without content?
it is not about troll… wasting of energy.

It is about see and experimenting to master things from different angle… all angle… justification to oneself…what one “knows” not what one “thinks”

Why should I belive my sifu is right or correct? Why is the SLT is perform this way?
Why is people said those sam bai fut is intenal training? So how should I breath while I am doing that? what coordinate with what? how is this training produce the results?..

There is no absolute answers. But, the quest to know why. The paradigm beyond the fomula and open to question what one is doing.

It is always easy to say this is the way how my sifu thought me… but then do one really understand? master the skill?

for example,
Say doing fok sau.
I would say, There are different dynamic diamention and phases interact and coexist.

There are link to the shift of body weight. There are link to the focus of intention… There are Ying Yang interchanging…
When one touches or track others with fook similar to cover other’s hand with a silk cloth — one phase. when one decides to issue energy… ----one other phase.

So, there are alots of things behind the Fook. how can one knows these? I guess question and question and try and question…? no fomular… no other can replace oneself.. needs to find out proper path…

Sure there is nothing wrong with what people practiced or do today. The question is what should want master before one knows one “have” it master.

So, it is not about oh I know it all or trolling…

it is about there are other paradigm.

as the Zen saying. 1, there is mountain.
2, mountain is no longer mountain. 3, mountain is just as it is mountain…
Can’t jump from 1 to 3. Can make belive 1 is 3. 2 is not the ultimate even one thinks he knows more then others…

difficult to communicate but perhaps someone might know what I am talking about?

It is strange stuffs. But then it is not about thinking. it has to relate to both concious and subsconcious. otherwise I won’t use feeling…instead of thinking.

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unconscious??

Originally posted by Hendrik

difficult to communicate but perhaps someone might know what I am talking about?

some one told me that the true power of WC comes from the unconscious, the rest are just levers and body mass distribution/transfer/movements.

honestly I don’t know what he meant because my left brain hemisphere is in the way, and my right hemisphere speaks a different language ;).

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Sometimes WC requires an abstract path before it really IS wing chun.
Somthing my Sifu said to me (i think ive mentioned before) is you have to learn the rules before you can break them!

I like hendricks posts because they really make you think! :slight_smile:

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Originally posted by Hendrik
[B] No, it is not about Qi power…ect
Qi? to be honest, how many knows what it is and can activate it? or say, just simple to heal oneself… just words without content?
it is not about troll… wasting of energy.

It is about see and experimenting to master things from different angle… all angle… justification to oneself…what one “knows” not what one “thinks”
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It is strange stuffs. But then it is not about thinking. it has to relate to both concious and subsconcious. otherwise I won’t use feeling…instead of thinking. [/B]

Now I follow much better. And to the degree I may understand, I very much agree.

To learn and practice Wing Chun is not merely a cognitive exercise, nor a physical one. IMHO and IME it is also a strongly “experiential” one. It is also a journey of personal discovery.

I think it is not equally easy for everyone to be open and patient enough for this part though.

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difficult to communicate but perhaps someone might know what I am talking about?
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Much better now, and more what I thought you were poking at to begin with. Thank you for expounding.

I am also glad it was not one of those nettlesome “I have chi and you don’t” kind of posts, LOL.

Regards,

  • Kathy Jo
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The kuen kuit said :

Gentlely subdue the opponents within split of an inch
tranquil similar to the autums’ moon
active like the tronado…

how can one arive there without the details, the thoughts, the experiments, the view from different angle …
until somedays “a mountain turn back into a mountain”

Otherwise,

" The Training on the essense of the movement’s details" or SLT will lost it’s “heart.”

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“I am also glad it was not one of those nettlesome “I have chi and you don’t” kind of posts, LOL.”

in Chinese, get mad is said as " give birth to Chi" or Shen Chi.
no one has to learn to get mad. LOL

Only dead people doesn’t has chi.
:smiley: