ps: dim mak pricipals rely on blood qi, oxygen qi and electri-magnetic…I’m sure that’ll make no sense . but pregnancy tests are not being kind, so today i don’t care…good-bye
The mention of dim mak means you should be very suspicious and keep your hand on your wallet.
look.everyone knows the benifits of acupuncture
Actually the benefits of acupuncture are far from universally recognized by healing professionals.
“Actually the benefits of acupuncture are far from universally recognized by healing professionals”.
LOL It sure didnt help my dad give up smoking!
(Fortunately he gave up after getting the flu though)
Originally posted by Miles Teg
“It sure didnt help my dad give up smoking!”
(Fortunately he gave up after getting the flu though)
I really don’t see how going to an acupuncturist to quit smoking is logical.
It’s kinda like going to a mechanic to get rid of the country music in your car.
Although acupuncture is assosiated to energy flow in the body and that energy flow is what makes the gears in our brains work, I don’t believe that it can re-route the neural pathways that form the habits we have, only hard work and effort (and maybe hypnotherapy).
“Actually the benefits of acupuncture are far from universally recognized by healing professionals.” - anerlich
But they are being widely accepted by people seeking health.
I think health professionals are both sceptic (good) and maybe just a little scared/jealous (bad), 'cause there is obviously both some truth and still some mystery to chineese medicine.
fair enough.I did the same trip pre-dim-mak study myself…and I know that the smoking treatment does more than focus your awareness, but what are you all saying here…that tcm is sh*t???.well I say your practioners or even yourselves are just not half as adept as you thought you were…these folks know medicine and bodily functions on a more ntimate level than western medicine ever will…goddammed die western infoed products…peace.what ever works..
but I’d never see a western doctor if a tcm was available./chemicals and placeboes.???have a wan*.I’ll just take the most natural way thx…
then I don’t have bs side - effects to come back and bite me on the as* later…as is ALWAYS the case with 1/2 ie western medicinial “advice” :rolleyes:
fair enough…wtf eva 
blooming lotus,
The topic was about dim mak (or variations of) not on whether or not TCM is valid or not. I don’t believe I have posted in opposition to it.
I am in large favor of wholistic and alternative medicine, but I can’t deny the effect of western medicine either. As far as side effects, there may not be any from things such as accupuncture or accupressure (unless done wrong) but as far as herbal medicine goes there is. And personally I believe that psychology plays a part in this - i.e. belief is power, and if you believe TCM works, it will. If you believe western medicine will have overwelming negitive side-effects it will. Why do you think they use a placebo in testing? To filter out the effects of individual psychology.
At any rate, I’m not baggin on Chineese/wholistic medicine.
Just tryin’ to discuss how/when these principles can be used, realistically, in martial art applications.
AmanuJRY
I dont know the connection mate, you’re probably right. In NZ many accupuncture clinics seem to promote it as part of their product offering. I know a few others who have done it to give up smoking as well - all unsuccessful.
I know from having giving up myself that it has to come from within you and you have to have a strong desire to give up - its all psycological. I had tried hypnotism to nicotine patches - didnt work.
the point is that dim-mak and point striking applicative to martial arts wouldn’t exist if tcm , meridians etc didn’t first…just the destructive side of healing…pretty standard practice in many parts of the world
I’m prgnant and ****ed OFF!!!
While not wanting to dismiss the gravity of your situation, you did bag me once for swearing (“WTF”) on this forum. I’m hardly a prude, but at least practise what you preach before lecturing others.
I hope your situation turns out to be a positive one for you. My wife was unable to have children, and fertility is not possible for every female. Count your blessings at least.
the point is that dim-mak and point striking applicative to martial arts wouldn’t exist
In my opinion they don’t, other than the obvious weak points of the human body that every boxer or kickboxer knows about. All the TCM-related esoteric stuff is highly moot.
In any case, even Dim Mak’s most fervent pushers, like Erle Montaigue, say that it’s completely useless unless you can fight well without it. If it exists, it’s the icing on the cake, not the bread and butter.
But they are being widely accepted by people seeking health.
Because something is popularly accepted amongst the uninformed or partially informed does not mean it is logically valid. Appeal to popularity.
I trained Xingyi with one of the first Westerners in Australia to be qualified as an acupuncturist, from Taiwanese and HK bodies. He attempted to treat me for a number of ailments. Complete waste of time.
Anecdotal evidence? Yes. But as valid scientifically as that of those hordes accepting it.
Bloomimg Lotus:
For almosta hundred years there has beena fairly rapid set of various technology transfers taking place globally including east and west.
In the process people borrow what they want to sometimes: not knowing the metaphysical foundations involved, not understanding them and sometimes not needing them.
One can fly without investigating aero dynamics deeply. And one can do yoga asanas without understanding Patanjali and the rest of the literature and theories of the body.
So also in the transference of CMA some folks have beein interested in TCM and other not even amomgst some Chinese.
Leung Jan knew TCM-Ip Man was not particularlya TCM person.
My sifu is but keeps the tcm separate from wing chun in teaching.
I myself am not an MD- but I come froma long line of MDs on both sides of my family and respect many things about western medicine. But there are good and bad MDs..
But alternative medicine is coming into its own as well- borrowing from TCM and other traditions. And there are good and badTCM practitioners.
So what am I saying- some folks do wing chun and also respect TCM. Others take one and not the other.
Some are interested in hitting points and others are not. Even those who are interested-point out it is not easy to master.
Changing world views on net forums is a lost cause.
BTW- Interestingly-Ip Man before leaving Foshan told some of his students to develop their Phoenix eye fist.
A bit of rambling- but cheers anyway.
Without any intentional racism—there has not been enough time for western TCM practitioners to devlop enough tacit knowledge and an extensive body of experience with first class TCM.
Good medicine- allopathy or TCM involves good craftmanship…
not easily acquired and not always readily available.
Even in China there are differing levels of expertise. The best go through some training in westren medicine as well.
But we digress ona wing chun forum.
If someone just mumbles to my face: “Dim Mak”, My fragile male ego may break from such penetrating and shattering impact! =)
I’m an avid supporter of Earle Montaigues work myself and have at home some great charts etc he has put out…each to their own, if you can use it make it work for you ( as many dedicated students do through-out the world), then props to you , but if you’re still a sceptic, will always be a sceptic and/or just are simply uninterested…just do what works…
Ps. anerlich, agreed…dim-mak must be part of a complete ma regime of combined arts, can hardly stand without something/style to apply it to , but definately a complimentary tech in my own arsenal