Wet - as in bloody.
I’m going out to Hawaii to fight you.
Crimson Phoenix, I think you simply need to TRAIN kung fu.
You’ll see that just because you can’t handle something doesn’t mean that it doesn’t work or isn’t “kung fu”.
You’ll also learn that the literal translation of “kung fu” does mean “Chinese martial art”. It simply means “excellence”.
Kung fu cha does mean the fighting art of the teapot then?
I’m sorry, all my chinese teachers (be they in martial arts or tea) told me that kung fu doesn’t mean specifically chinese martial arts. Go argue with them, and tell them they don’t know Chinese.
I think being heated by Nick’s comments made you lose 1) courtesy and 2) sense.
I didn’t attack you or criticize you, we were having a discussion so far, you don’t know me, you don’t know a shi@t about how I train and fight, and yet you tell me without any good reason that I need to TRAIN kung fu.
Do you get into personal attacks everytime you can’t handle a diverging opinion?
Somehow I feel that it’s easy to talk wude, it’s harder to be wude.
I quote you: "You’ll see that just because you can’t handle something doesn’t mean that it doesn’t work or isn’t “kung fu”. Please explain me what the hell it has to do with the present topic? What can’t I handle? And even better, what do you base this rather intriguing and out-of-nowhere comment on?
Huang, I really hope that Nick got on your mind and that’s why you entered blind defense mode.
If not, well…you lost all credibility as a poster to me. Not that you should care…but I personally never like it when someone I had respect for falls in such a disgrace 
No, you are right Crimson Phoenix.
I mistyped the “doesn’t” as "does.
I stand corrected. Thanks for reminding me.
However, I pointed out that you don’t know your kung fu because you cannot handle the fact that a style that kicks butt IS kung fu.
Any REAL fighter who’s been in a scrape knows that if a style works, it is legitimate “kung fu” 100%. And that’s what this discussion is all about.
Those techniques that you do - likely other guys do them too. In fact, this school does a lot of the same stuff I do. I’ve USED that stuff in combat, and I will again.
Respect those who DO kung fu, Crimson Phoenix. Just because you think it’s fake doesn’t mean that it isn’t “legitimate”.
As I said, test their hands. You’ll find out - the hard way.
Huang, first, thanks for the return to a good discussion.
It doesn’t matter if you think I don’t know my kung fu or not…it is just ironic that you make the same mistake you are attacking me for: judging without touching hands. Besides, I won’t change the POV I exposed lenghtly here, legitimacy is more and less than combat at the same time. As sure as lineage legitimacy is not a sure cause of combat efficiency, to me similarly combat efficiency isn’t a sure cause of “historical” legitimacy…I won’t change my mind on that, none of us two will…I agree with you that technically any good fighting art is good kung fu. But not necessarily legit TCMA. The same way all squares are rectangle but not all rectangles are squares, CMA are all fighting arts (fighting kung fu), but not all fighting kung fu are CMA. It’s just a linguistic thing, since we now both agree that as you said, one meaning of kung fu is excellence (in any field) and not precisely in the field of combat. Then, still linguistically-wise a fighting kung fu can be legitimate without having any links with CMA, I agree, and in this case the legitimacy of a fighting kung fu is directly inherited from fighting efficiency. It seems we both argued for hours because I take kung fu as the convenient way to say CMA in particular, whether you (more linguistically accurately, I acknowledge) use kung fu for “high skills gained through time and efforts”.
Still, I do have the impression that you think I directly judge the school on the website as bad, and it bothers you. Soooo…May I quote nearly all my posts so far?
Here I go:
“I’m not speaking about that particular guy and school here, I’m not denying that they can very well be very good fighters, and that a respectful visit is deserved”
“I do not criticize these guys…their example made me think about the whole issue in general, I won’t judge them on their sole website”
And my very first reply to this topic: “But well, we can’t and shouldn’t judge just from a website…”
And there are others…When I said fake, I always said it SEEMS fake (there’s a big difference with it IS fake) on the sole examination of their website. I quote yet another of my post: “I’m not saying their style is not legit, I’m not saying that what they teach is bad or useless, I’m just saying that on the sole examination of their page their style seems a FAKE CMA”.
And I won’t back up from this: their style seems made up when you judge the page. Period, I’m not saying anything more, neither less…I even said, and I state it again, that if someone tells me “you’re a ****, Phoenix, Wind fist was created by that man in the x century, who studied under that man, who learnt this other style from x” etc… I will apologize. But judging by the webpage only, it just seems windfist was created not too long ago by someone who made up his own style from the MA he learnt.
Okie, time for confessions, Huang…you seem to get very personal when we speak about that school…you are not the “white-knight-saving-every-princess-from-the-bad-dragon” type usually…how come on this particular issue you get so involved, whereas countless other schools were bashed 1000000 times harder without you even raising an eyebrow? Do you personally know the guy? Or maybe it’s where you come from? Or is it your school? just very curious…
As for my capacities/credentials/experience as a fighter, you know none of it. You don’t know who can kick my ass and how, and who won’t and why.
So why bother commenting on it?
You seem very fond of speaking about REAL fighters…as one, you must know that you can’t evaluate a guy’s experience of combat by what he says or the impression he gives you…especially on a public net forum…don’t you?
He’s got big balls…
She’s got big balls…
They’ve got big balls…
But we have the biggest…balls of them all!
Oh Shaddap! :mad: Who cares what’s fake god ****it!? Shut the **** up *****es!
lol @ Kristoffer 
Yeah…what he said!!!
I was going to weigh in on this, but it looks like this turned into one of those little fights my 4 and 6 yr. old kids are having in the other room. Think I’ll wait for calm water.
hello…
im saddened by the fact that kung fu is being commercialized so much…
PS: kung fu…person glorified through way of skill/actions/work…u can call a successful merchant kung fu
Greetings..
My former long time mentor, G’master Chan Pui, says Gung Fu means “hard work”.. i think we can safely assume he is Chinese, and he practices “hard work”, and expects it from his students..
As for the the rest of this, it is sadly comical..
Be well..
kung <- work/skill
fu <- man…male to be specific 
im hou wen rong…i was born in fujien china,si ong ke county now i live in the philippines…
“That, says Wong, is why he failed to deliver a devastating right-hand blow on
any of the three occasions he had Lee’s head locked under his left arm.
Instead, he says, he released his opponent each time, only to have an even
more enraged Bruce Lee press on with his furious attack.”
Ah, the infamous headlock… the mark of an inexperienced neophyte.
“Some people say Bruce Lee beat up Jack Man bad,” note Lum. “But if he had,
the man would not have been to work the next day.” By Lum’s assessment, the
fact that neither man suffered serious injury in a no-holds-barred battle
indicates that both were “very, very good.”
Or, maybe neither one was very good.
Now death has rendered the man forever silent. And the question of whether
Wong presented Lee, who is considered by many to have been the world’s top
martial artist, with the only defeat of his adult life will remain, among
those concerned about such matters, forever a controversial one ."
I think Gene LeBelle would beg to differ regarding that.
“Lee, who is considered by many to have been the world’s top
martial artist,”
And exactly whom did he test himself against
to earn this “consideration”?